Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 18 April 2012
18 Apr 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Project Transmit
The problem that we have is that Scotland is caught in the trap of an organisation called Ofgem, which was created in circumstances that do not reflect the needs of our country today. We are painfully seeing it trying to find ways in which to adapt to the real geography of Scotland, and it is doing so with some difficulty. To us, the islands of Scotland are an integral part of our country, but it is clear that, to Ofgem, that is too much to bear in terms of being able to make a plan that fits the needs of all our areas.
I do not want to repeat the arguments that have been made in detail. Instead, I want to comment on a couple of points to show why it is necessary to get decisions much more quickly.
Of course there must be consultation with the energy utilities and so on. The processes must be gone through, but they must be simplified. There has not been a discussion by the Government in London about simplifying the process of creating an opportunity for us to move forward quickly on new sustainable renewables. In addition, there is a contradiction in the way in which the Government in London is operating to promote the renewables, which has a bearing on this debate.
My colleague Lord Thurso, the MP for Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross, has suggested in answers that he gave at Westminster that the Government is going to promote the first marine energy park in Scotland in the Pentland Firth this summer. That would add to an existing marine energy park that has been announced for south-west England.
It is interesting to see from the figures that the minister gave that developers in the south-west of England would be paid to develop offshore there under the current charging regime. That makes the marine energy park there quite attractive. However, marine energy park developers on both sides of the Pentland Firth would have to pay £21.958097 per kilowatt for access to the grid. That contradiction will not help us have such development in Orkney or on the mainland of Scotland. If Ofgem is producing something, it will have to do so quickly or the UK Government may not announce a marine energy park for Scotland, because the contrast in outlook for the marine energy park in south-west England compared with that in north-west Scotland is embarrassing.
That leads me to suggest that, looking at the debate as it has developed, there are small schemes that require access to the grid and not just in the islands; plenty parts of the mainland have a very poor grid and people want access to it. Ofgem has been reviewing the problem of getting access to the grid and, from the discussions that it concluded in March, it looks as though, under the changes, the amount of liability and security required from generators to access the grid will be significantly reduced. That is all very well, but I have constituents in the Applecross Community Company who are attempting to create a small hydro scheme. SSE, which manages the grid in our part of the world, wants to charge them in the region of £667,000 for access to the grid and to create a grid strengthening that would allow them to export electricity.
There are many people in the country who cannot get into the renewables revolution—in this case, it is a hydro scheme in Applecross—because of the huge costs involved. In fact, we will help to reduce fuel poverty by getting more people to generate their own electricity locally and that will help many people to prosper in the future.
14:33
I do not want to repeat the arguments that have been made in detail. Instead, I want to comment on a couple of points to show why it is necessary to get decisions much more quickly.
Of course there must be consultation with the energy utilities and so on. The processes must be gone through, but they must be simplified. There has not been a discussion by the Government in London about simplifying the process of creating an opportunity for us to move forward quickly on new sustainable renewables. In addition, there is a contradiction in the way in which the Government in London is operating to promote the renewables, which has a bearing on this debate.
My colleague Lord Thurso, the MP for Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross, has suggested in answers that he gave at Westminster that the Government is going to promote the first marine energy park in Scotland in the Pentland Firth this summer. That would add to an existing marine energy park that has been announced for south-west England.
It is interesting to see from the figures that the minister gave that developers in the south-west of England would be paid to develop offshore there under the current charging regime. That makes the marine energy park there quite attractive. However, marine energy park developers on both sides of the Pentland Firth would have to pay £21.958097 per kilowatt for access to the grid. That contradiction will not help us have such development in Orkney or on the mainland of Scotland. If Ofgem is producing something, it will have to do so quickly or the UK Government may not announce a marine energy park for Scotland, because the contrast in outlook for the marine energy park in south-west England compared with that in north-west Scotland is embarrassing.
That leads me to suggest that, looking at the debate as it has developed, there are small schemes that require access to the grid and not just in the islands; plenty parts of the mainland have a very poor grid and people want access to it. Ofgem has been reviewing the problem of getting access to the grid and, from the discussions that it concluded in March, it looks as though, under the changes, the amount of liability and security required from generators to access the grid will be significantly reduced. That is all very well, but I have constituents in the Applecross Community Company who are attempting to create a small hydro scheme. SSE, which manages the grid in our part of the world, wants to charge them in the region of £667,000 for access to the grid and to create a grid strengthening that would allow them to export electricity.
There are many people in the country who cannot get into the renewables revolution—in this case, it is a hydro scheme in Applecross—because of the huge costs involved. In fact, we will help to reduce fuel poverty by getting more people to generate their own electricity locally and that will help many people to prosper in the future.
14:33
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-02623, in the name of Fergus Ewing, on project transmit. Members who wish to take part in the debate shou...
The Minister for Energy, Enterprise and Tourism (Fergus Ewing)
SNP
This is a very important debate. Charging for access to the electricity transmission network is an area of energy policy that is rarely spoken about, but whi...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Mr Scott, you do not have your card in your console.I will give you more time in compensation, minister.
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD)
LD
Does the minister recognise that one of the deep concerns is that large renewables businesses in other parts of the United Kingdom are arguing against any re...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
Different companies will be affected in different ways. Today, with the support of Tavish Scott and all the other parties, I hope to argue that when the Ofge...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
Does the minister acknowledge that the proposals that will be announced on 4 May are just proposals? They will go out for further consultation and the consum...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
This is not the end of the process; that is Mary Scanlon’s point. Incidentally, I have deliberately not mentioned, nor have I addressed my remarks to, the Un...
Mary Scanlon
Con
I notice that the minister favours the flat-rate charge. I am shocked by that, because Ofgem’s briefing points out that such a measure would cost consumers i...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
I am not sure that I entirely understand that point. I apologise for that. The point that I was trying to make was that the Government has compromised. We th...
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab)
Lab
I thank the Scottish Government for securing today’s debate on project transmit and the minister for his opening remarks. It is fair to say that my colleague...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
I declare an interest in the debate, as my son works in the renewable energy business.The Conservatives welcome the debate on project transmit as part of the...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
To address the point that Mary Scanlon makes, I say to her that we do not accept that the costings that Ofgem gave to justify the refusal to accept the posta...
Mary Scanlon
Con
As a Highlands and Islands MSP, I certainly will not be uniting to support putting an extra £30 on the bills of people in the north of Scotland but nothing e...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Mary Scanlon
Con
No. I have taken a long intervention already.Project transmit ended its consultation in February. The responses have been considered, modelling analysis has ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
We move to the open debate, with speeches of four minutes.14:28
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
SNP
The problem that we have is that Scotland is caught in the trap of an organisation called Ofgem, which was created in circumstances that do not reflect the n...
John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Lab
I do not think that this debate will generate many headlines in tomorrow’s papers, although it should, because it is a high-voltage debate. Over £2 billion i...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
SNP
Almost two years ago to the day, the Parliament backed a motion that highlighted the threat that locational transmission charging poses to developing greater...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD)
LD
I am pleased to have an opportunity to speak in this brief but welcome debate and I am delighted that a delegation from Orkney Islands Council and the renewa...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I hope that, at its meeting tomorrow, the Gas and Electricity Markets Authority—GEMA—which is the board of Ofgem, will make decisions or at least provide mor...
Mary Scanlon
Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Chic Brodie
SNP
No. I do not have enough time.I have the greatest respect and admiration for the Ofgem team in Scotland—oh that it were independent—but the notion that exist...
Anne McTaggart (Glasgow) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome the debate. I think that my fellow members will agree that the existing charging regimes are neither compatible with the needs and desires of ordin...
Stuart McMillan (West Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
We have heard how important energy transmission is and will continue to be for Scotland’s economy. It is clear that energy generation is an integral part of ...
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
As other members have said, the Ofgem consultation—project transmit—has been widely welcomed, as in its current form the transmission network’s use of system...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
SNP
I recently visited the European Marine Energy Centre in Orkney, which enabled me to gain a first-hand insight into the remarkable progress that it is making ...
Mary Scanlon
Con
Does the member acknowledge that the project transmit consultation ended at the end of February; that a decision will be made on 4 May; that that decision ha...
Mike MacKenzie
SNP
Sure, and I remain optimistic. I point out, however, that it is truly lamentable that it has taken this length of time to get anywhere near approaching the r...
Mary Scanlon
Con
Will the member give way?