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The Convener (Stewart Maxwell) SNP

Good morning everybody, and welcome to the ninth meeting in session 4 of the Education and Culture Committee. I remind members and those in the public galler...

Claire Burns (Centre for Excellence for Looked-after Children in Scotland)

I will provide some context about my role. I am the strategic policy implementation manager at the new centre for excellence for looked-after children in Sco...

The Convener SNP

Thank you—that is helpful in providing an overview at the start of our inquiry.You mentioned a range of different carers and professionals who are involved i...

Claire Burns

We need rigorous data that tells us what the differences are between those groups. We need to examine the evidence and to understand why the attendance and a...

The Convener SNP

It was a general question. With regard to some of the specifics, you mentioned professional pre-qualification training. What scope is there for introducing s...

Claire Burns

LACSIG is aware of the need for that and is taking it forward. The champion for the workforce development hub is Anna Fowlie, who is the chief executive of t...

The Convener SNP

I do not mean to be critical as that is all welcome news, but why is it only being thought about now? Why are we only talking about pilots now? The problem i...

Claire Burns

Some of it is already happening, but the research on education attainment is telling us more explicitly all the time that there is a problem. I do not know t...

The Convener SNP

Okay. I have one final question before I throw open the discussion. What efforts is CELCIS making to link the work that it is doing with the work of the vari...

Claire Burns

CELCIS was only launched in September, so we are fairly new, but we recognise that good stakeholder engagement is important and that we must ensure that ther...

The Convener SNP

Thank you. I will bring in the rest of the committee now, beginning with Jean Urquhart.

Jean Urquhart (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP

Thank you for your presentation. The written submission from CELCIS states that LACSIG will“drive forward an implementation programme to improve outcomes for...

Claire Burns

The looked-after children strategic implementation group came out of the reports from the national residential child care initiative. It was recognised that ...

Jean Urquhart SNP

Your response bears out what is in a lot of our suggested reading material, which shows frustration that a great deal of observation and declaration has take...

Claire Burns

There are ways to drive forward and we are pulling together in the right way. We must be clear about what works. For example, community planning partners’ ro...

Jean Urquhart SNP

What is the most important single first step for a child?

Claire Burns

That is getting the co-ordinated care plan and having a care plan that everybody is involved in, which everybody knows about and which is monitored and revie...

Jean Urquhart SNP

What is the single biggest barrier to getting that care plan?

Claire Burns

It is to do with everybody having ownership of the care plan. One difficulty, which comes out in the Association of Directors of Social Work submission, is t...

Jean Urquhart SNP

Finally on that theme, other than education, there will be different aspects to helping a child attain educationally. What are they, and how do you envisage ...

Claire Burns

We need to ensure that clear support is provided in school and outwith it. I talked about the role of the designated manager in school. They are very much in...

Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP

I have a supplementary question on that issue. You talked about the difficulties of putting in place a care plan, which involves co-ordinating a range of pro...

Claire Burns

I am not aware of that. We have not considered that issue, but we could get information on it to you if you want.

Joan McAlpine SNP

The reason why I ask is that I have come across the issue with care plans in other areas. I just wondered if it was an issue with care plans for looked-after...

Claire Burns

From the research, we have not been made aware that there is an issue with staff absenteeism, but we can examine that issue for you. The issue that the resea...

Clare Adamson (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP

I have a quick supplementary question. You mentioned that some parents are very involved in schooling. Obviously, the parents of some children who are strugg...

Claire Burns

Yes, I think so, but it should not take the parent out of the equation. As the member will be aware, we do not know about the literacy levels of parents of l...

Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab

My question follows on from Jean Urquhart’s question. I want to focus on identifying what works. This is our first evidence session and you have raised a lot...

Claire Burns

The solution is about both. As I said, the planning and assessment process needs to be more co-ordinated—it needs to be better. That goes in tandem with know...

The Convener SNP

We can raise that with them.