Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 28 March 2012
28 Mar 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Agricultural Holdings (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Although I have the privilege of being the deputy convener of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee, I speak not on behalf of the committee but as an individual MSP. As the convener said, however, there is considerable common ground in the committee on both the narrowly framed bill and the need to look at the wider issues concerning agricultural tenancy law in Scotland. I refer members to paragraph 80 of the report, which states:
“The Committee recommends that, following the completion of this Bill, the Scottish Government continue to work with the TFF and other stakeholders, landowners and tenants across Scotland, to review the operation of agricultural legislation and address the other challenges facing the tenant farming community in Scotland as soon as possible.”
In the short time that is available to me, I will focus on a matter on which some progress on the detail is already being made: succession—which we have already heard a bit about—and, specifically, persons who would have putative rights to a tenancy on the death of the tenant. Currently, although the tenant can assign the tenancy to a wider group of people, upon the tenant’s death it is only “near relatives” who will be afforded protection as successor tenants, in that they can serve a counter notice following a notice to quit being served by the landlord. As we have heard, the phrase “near relative” is narrowly defined and does not currently include grandchildren of the tenant, but the bill proposes to extend that protection to grandchildren of the tenant. In doing so, it acknowledges the consensus that was reached in the tenant farming forum, which is the industry body that was set up inter alia to consider improvements in the operation of agricultural tenancy law and practice.
As I said in my intervention on Mr Lamont, others also spoke in favour of there being a wider definition when they gave evidence to the committee, including the Scottish Tenant Farmers Association and the National Farmers Union Scotland. Although the committee had sympathy with those who support a wider definition, it felt nonetheless that, in accordance with the very delicate compromise that was achieved by the TFF, we should forge ahead with the approach as it stands.
It is a matter of some disappointment to me that matters cannot progress more quickly, but taking into account the hard work that has been done to get us where we are, on balance it is more important to respect the consensus and hope that it spurs people in the TFF on to more speedy work and the creation of more consensus on the broader issues that have been alluded to.
We have also heard about the important issue of lack of data. In order to inform our debate on the way forward, we must secure accurate and meaningful data. Otherwise, we will have a debate that is based on assertions and speculative figures, which would be no help to anybody.
On a conciliatory note, I believe that Scottish Land & Estates is to be commended for its change of heart during the committee process—which the cabinet secretary mentioned—on when the extended succession provisions should apply. The matter is not expected to affect too many people in practice but, nonetheless, Scottish Land & Estates showed willingness to compromise on the issue, so it should be given the credit that it is due. I hope that that signals a willingness to engage on the wider issues in the same spirit of consensus, because it is the wider issues to which we now need to turn.
I commend all the committee members for their hard work in producing a consensual report.
15:09
“The Committee recommends that, following the completion of this Bill, the Scottish Government continue to work with the TFF and other stakeholders, landowners and tenants across Scotland, to review the operation of agricultural legislation and address the other challenges facing the tenant farming community in Scotland as soon as possible.”
In the short time that is available to me, I will focus on a matter on which some progress on the detail is already being made: succession—which we have already heard a bit about—and, specifically, persons who would have putative rights to a tenancy on the death of the tenant. Currently, although the tenant can assign the tenancy to a wider group of people, upon the tenant’s death it is only “near relatives” who will be afforded protection as successor tenants, in that they can serve a counter notice following a notice to quit being served by the landlord. As we have heard, the phrase “near relative” is narrowly defined and does not currently include grandchildren of the tenant, but the bill proposes to extend that protection to grandchildren of the tenant. In doing so, it acknowledges the consensus that was reached in the tenant farming forum, which is the industry body that was set up inter alia to consider improvements in the operation of agricultural tenancy law and practice.
As I said in my intervention on Mr Lamont, others also spoke in favour of there being a wider definition when they gave evidence to the committee, including the Scottish Tenant Farmers Association and the National Farmers Union Scotland. Although the committee had sympathy with those who support a wider definition, it felt nonetheless that, in accordance with the very delicate compromise that was achieved by the TFF, we should forge ahead with the approach as it stands.
It is a matter of some disappointment to me that matters cannot progress more quickly, but taking into account the hard work that has been done to get us where we are, on balance it is more important to respect the consensus and hope that it spurs people in the TFF on to more speedy work and the creation of more consensus on the broader issues that have been alluded to.
We have also heard about the important issue of lack of data. In order to inform our debate on the way forward, we must secure accurate and meaningful data. Otherwise, we will have a debate that is based on assertions and speculative figures, which would be no help to anybody.
On a conciliatory note, I believe that Scottish Land & Estates is to be commended for its change of heart during the committee process—which the cabinet secretary mentioned—on when the extended succession provisions should apply. The matter is not expected to affect too many people in practice but, nonetheless, Scottish Land & Estates showed willingness to compromise on the issue, so it should be given the credit that it is due. I hope that that signals a willingness to engage on the wider issues in the same spirit of consensus, because it is the wider issues to which we now need to turn.
I commend all the committee members for their hard work in producing a consensual report.
15:09
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-02495, in the name of Richard Lochhead, on the Agricultural Holdings (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill. I call ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment (Richard Lochhead)
SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer.This Government has two key policy objectives for tenant farming in Scotland: first, to ensure that tenant farmers have legislat...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I call Rob Gibson to speak on behalf of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee.14:44
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
SNP
There is an old Highland joke about a croft being a small piece of land surrounded entirely by large amounts of legislation. Given the amount of legislation ...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Rob Gibson
SNP
I will take a brief one. I have a lot to say.
Alex Fergusson
Con
Given that the tax regime is the same throughout the United Kingdom and that farm business tenancies south of the border are similar to limited duration tena...
Rob Gibson
SNP
I think that there has been enough speculation, but I suppose that, even in the member’s devo plus proposals, there might be a decision to take forward these...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased to be speaking in this afternoon’s debate. As an MSP who is not on the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee, I thank the comm...
John Lamont (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Con
The Scottish Conservatives are pleased to support the bill’s general principles. A vibrant tenanted sector is vital to Scottish farming. As a Parliament, we ...
Annabelle Ewing (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
SNP
John Lamont will obviously have read the committee’s wonderful report, which he was involved in producing. Paragraph 37, which refers to the oral evidence th...
John Lamont
Con
That was very helpful, but it does not necessarily mean that I have to agree with that view. I agree with the cabinet secretary’s view that there could be un...
Annabelle Ewing (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
SNP
Although I have the privilege of being the deputy convener of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee, I speak not on behalf of the commi...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Lab
It might seem to be a great leap of imagination to compare this consensual stage 1 debate on the Agricultural Holdings (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill with the r...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP)
SNP
One issue that came through loud and clear in the committee’s inquires on the bill was that of land agents and their practices. In his evidence, NFUS chief e...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
You must close now, please.
Graeme Dey
SNP
The TFF is looking to arbitration as a way in which to resolve that issue. I suggest that that is the way forward.15:17
Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP)
SNP
I am pleased to speak in this stage 1 debate. Although I am not a member of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee, my Economy, Energy a...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD)
LD
I declare a farming interest.The provisions in the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Bill are overdue. It is important that trust between tenants and landlord...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
SNP
As many members have already discussed the “near relatives” provision in the bill, I will not go down that route. Instead, I want to focus not on the legisla...
David Stewart
Lab
Does the member share my view that tenants are concerned about Lord Gill’s decision in the Court of Session, which effectively says that the Scottish Parliam...
Dennis Robertson
SNP
We are moving forward and the bill and amendments to it will try to address what happened in 2003.We certainly need to consider the arbitration provisions in...
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
The bill aims to create a better environment for the letting of farmland to the tenant farming sector of the agricultural industry and to encourage new entra...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
Presiding Officer, as a former member of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee—although, to be frank, if you had blinked, you would hav...
David Stewart
Lab
The Court of Session overturned the Scottish Land Court in relation to the role of single farm payments and argued that they are a factor in open-market rent...
Mark McDonald
SNP
A number of factors prevent new entrants from coming into the sector—I certainly do not think that there is just a single contributory factor in that regard....
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Con
This has been a welcome debate on the general principles of the Agricultural Holdings (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill.I am happy to welcome the three changes to ...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased to speak in this debate, which is so significant for Scotland’s vibrant agriculture sector. I thank the cabinet secretary for setting the contex...
Alex Fergusson
Con
Why does the member feel that disharmony would be a good thing in an area—that is, the TFF—where harmony exists?
Claudia Beamish
Lab
That is certainly not what I am saying. Whenever consensus is possible, it is an excellent idea. However, a range of perspectives must be taken into account,...