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Meeting of the Parliament 14 March 2012

14 Mar 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I acknowledge that, although the bill is largely technical, most of its proposals have been welcomed and are required if we are to improve land registration.

There is no doubt that a modern and effective system of land registration is important for any modern economy. Much as the communist in me—I am sure that the minister looked up with a start to see that Red Ken is now standing in the chamber, so I will put it differently. Much as the idealist in me struggles with the concept of us as mere humans asserting our rights to mountains and rivers, which will outlive and outlast us all, I appreciate that our banking, business, trade and credit systems rely on securing title to property and land. I understand that the property market in Scotland was worth approximately £24 billion the year before last, so the bill is an important and worthwhile measure.

The background to the bill lies, as many members, including the minister, highlighted, in the gradual replacement of the 17th century register of sasines with the land register of Scotland. Although the changes have been taking place since 1979, so far just over half—55 per cent—of Scotland’s 2.6 million units of property have been switched. The figure for the land area that has been covered is much lower, with only 21 per cent of Scotland’s landmass on the register.

As Paul Wheelhouse, John Wilson, John Park and others said, the completion of the register is a practical and important step that will make a difference for many communities.

The reason why there is a gap in the transfer to the land register is mainly that the principal way in which a property enters the land register for the first time is through its sale. The bill will update the law on registration. It will enable electronic conveyancing and, in due course, it will provide for the closure of the register of sasines. It makes provision for four measures that are designed to ensure the eventual transfer of all property in Scotland to the land register.

As my colleague Rhoda Grant suggested, the only disappointment with the bill is that it misses an opportunity to move the land reform agenda on apace. There is a timely article in today’s Scotsman—not the one about my former colleague Jack McConnell but the one by Brian Wilson—which I encourage ministers and members to read. It highlights some of the issues around land ownership that still bedevil communities around Scotland. Mr Wilson says that, despite the Parliament’s early achievements, such as abolishing feudal tenure, guaranteeing the right to roam and introducing the community right to buy, Scotland continues to have

“the most inequitable distribution of land ownership in Europe”.

As I suggested earlier, I struggle with the concept of owning a mountain or a river, and it is jarring to see absentee millionaires and billionaires buying up Scottish islands and estates while local people on those estates struggle to make a living. Like Andy Wightman, who was quoted favourably by my colleague in the Green Party, Patrick Harvie—sorry, Patrick—I believe that it is offensive that there is such difficulty in finding out who owns land in Scotland.

I was going to quote the case from 10 years ago that involved the MacLeods in Skye claiming ownership of the Cuillins and trying to sell them on. That case was resolved, but other members, such as James Kelly, have reminded me of constituency cases that are far more practical and which involve areas of land in suburban and urban areas whose ownership is unknown and which are therefore not maintained and become litter infested and overgrown. Being able to identify the owner of those pieces of land, which have become nuisances, would improve the environment and therefore provide a great service to many communities.

It is worth highlighting that the issues of land reform and the transparency of land ownership are not just relevant to rural areas. When residents of Neilston, which used to be in my constituency but is now admirably represented by my colleague Hugh Henry, were faced with the closure of the last bank in the village, they used the Scottish Parliament’s land reform legislation to buy the property for the community. The benefits have not simply been about the use of that building, because the Neilston Development Trust has become a driving force for improving the landscape of the village, bringing people together for events and other activities, and the trust is now on course to establish the ownership of a wind farm, the income from which will go directly to the village. That demonstrates that what on the face of it looks like an issue to do with property and land ownership is, in essence, about the rights, needs and wishes of the local community.

Like many members, I am grateful to the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee for the work that it has done to highlight a number of issues in the bill, particularly the issue of beneficial interests and ownership, with particular regard to the transparency and accessibility of information relating to that issue. The bill does not do quite enough in that area, so I am pleased that the committee has recommended that

“the Scottish Government should reflect further on options for ensuring that the land registration system reduces the scope for tax evasion, tax avoidance and the use of tax havens, and that the Government should explain prior to Stage 2 what additional provisions can be included, whether in the Bill or otherwise, to achieve this objective.”

Similarly, on access and transparency, the only electronic system that is in place is predominantly geared towards lawyers and conveyancers. I am pleased that the committee has flagged up that point and I whole-heartedly agree with its recommendations in that regard.

I would like to raise some other points—about prescriptive claimants; common land; and section 108, which I noticed was raised only by the lawyers or former solicitors in the chamber, but is still an important point—but, given that my time is up, I will end by welcoming the work of the committee and saying that I am pleased to support the general principles of the bill.

14:55

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-02304, in the name of Fergus Ewing, on the Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill.13:34
The Minister for Energy, Enterprise and Tourism (Fergus Ewing) SNP
I thank the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee for its thorough and collaborative scrutiny of the Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill. I also thank the ...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I declare my interest as a member of the Law Society of Scotland.As convener of the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, I mention that the committee recom...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I will consider further and respond in due course on reduced fees for voluntary registration. Does Mr Fraser agree that there is an incentive for voluntary r...
Murdo Fraser Con
The minister has made a fair point. In his opening speech he mentioned the proposal to introduce time-and-line fees. Higher costs would potentially act as a ...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I do not want to interrupt the flow of Mr Fraser’s speech too frequently, but I ask him—as one solicitor to another—whether it is fair to say that the high c...
Murdo Fraser Con
That is a fair point, although I am sure that when Mr Ewing was in practice he was very reasonable in the fees that he charged—as, indeed, was I.The offence ...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I associate myself with the thanks that Murdo Fraser and the minister offered to those who provided evidence to and assisted the committee. The bill is large...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Is it the Labour Party’s position that only companies or individuals who are resident and domiciled in Scotland should be able to buy land in Scotland?
Rhoda Grant Lab
No. If Mr MacKenzie listens to the points that I will make, he might understand where I am coming from.The land reform legislation was based on the need to k...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
It is a challenge to bring some verve and spice to the issue of land registration. The subject does not brim with pulsating excitement. Things were a lot mor...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We now move to the open debate. I remind all speakers that they have a fairly tight 10-minute time limit. Interruption. I am sorry: I meant to say four minut...
John Wilson (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I speak as a member of the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, which held a number of evidence-gathering sessions as part of its detailed examination of t...
John Park (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I thank the clerks for the support that they gave me as a new member of the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee when I started in January, just after the C...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak in the debate. Although I am what Murdo Fraser has described as “a non-lawyer”—I wonder whether that is a Latin...
Stuart McMillan (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As one of the non-lawyers on the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, it was with a sense of trepidation that I started out on my journey through scrutiny ...
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
This is an interesting topic. I have witnessed huge amounts of difficulty overseas, in particular for farmers who have smallholdings. When an inheritance has...
Jean Urquhart (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
When I offered to speak in today’s debate, I was aware that I would be doing so more from a sense of how important the bill is than from a position of taking...
James Kelly (Rutherglen) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate on the Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill. As someone who is not a member of the Economy, Energy and Tou...
Paul Wheelhouse (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I should declare an interest. I worked for BiGGAR Economics when it did the piece of work for Registers of Scotland on the economic impact of its proposals. ...
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP) SNP
As the convener of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee, I have an interest in the Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill dovetailing w...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I strongly commend Rob Gibson for much of what he said. In addition, I thank everyone who contributed to the committee’s work, in whatever capacity.My fellow...
Annabel Goldie Con
It is difficult in an essentially technical debate to introduce ideas and concepts without risking repetition. I prefer to comment briefly on one or two poin...
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab) Lab
I acknowledge that, although the bill is largely technical, most of its proposals have been welcomed and are required if we are to improve land registration....
Fergus Ewing SNP
I have thoroughly enjoyed the debate. There have been useful contributions from all sides. If I do not reply in my short speech to some of the suggestions an...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I will carry on for a bit, if I may.Mr Harvie acknowledged that point, as did others. I can tell him that we have had some discussions on the matter and offi...
Patrick Harvie Green
Will the minister allow his officials to have discussions with Opposition members prior to stage 2, so that we understand the limits of what the Government t...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I always do that.Why are reserves necessary? First, because the keeper cannot have access to consolidated funds; she must balance her budget. She does not ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
You have another four minutes.
Fergus Ewing SNP
Oh good. I thought that I needed to finish.