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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 14 March 2012

14 Mar 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Fraser, Murdo Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV
I declare my interest as a member of the Law Society of Scotland.

As convener of the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, I mention that the committee recommended to Parliament that it should agree the general principles of the bill.

As the minister did, I acknowledge the work that has been done by the Scottish Law Commission—initially by my old friend Professor George Gretton—in its comprehensive consultation on the first draft of the bill. I thank all those who gave oral evidence or submitted written evidence to aid the committee’s consideration, and I thank the committee’s clerking team for all their assistance on what is a very technical subject. I also thank the committee’s adviser, Professor Kenneth Reid, who was able to put in layman’s terms, for the benefit of committee members, some of the issues that are addressed in the bill.

Last, and by no means least, I thank all the committee members for their hard work and engagement on the bill. It is fair to say that for the non-lawyers on the committee—which means everybody apart from myself—the prospect of dealing with the bill was probably not greeted with the greatest of enthusiasm at the outset, but as we got into the subject, some of the issues stimulated some debate and, I hope, interest.

As the minister said, the bill represents a much-needed update to, and extension of, existing legislation. Although it is comprehensive and very technical in parts, there are some areas that are of real interest to people in Scotland. There is much to be commended in the bill; for example, the move to the use of e-documents, the closure of the register of sasines so that we have one land register rather than two, and the introduction of advance notices.

However, the committee considered that a number of areas of the bill could be improved upon. I will comment on those in the time that is available to me. My first point relates to the key policy aim of the bill, which is completion of the land register. The key powers that are aimed at increasing land registrations are, first, increased triggers for first registration of land and, secondly, voluntary and keeper-induced registrations. We know that only about 21 per cent of the land is currently on the land register and that there has been slow progress since the Land Registration (Scotland) Act 1979, so the committee welcomes the powers to increase land registration, but we have some concerns about how the powers might work in practice.

A key method of increasing land registration is voluntary land registration. The committee heard a lot of support for voluntary registration and heard that a similar method of registration has been used successfully in England and Wales, where a reduced fee has been used as an incentive. Given that the approach would be key in achieving the objective of a complete land register, and given that we learned that Registers of Scotland has reserves of about £75 million, the committee asks the minister to consider introducing incentives to encourage voluntary registration, particularly in complex cases.

Keeper-induced registration will give the keeper the power to register land without an application from, or notification to, a landowner. The committee had concerns about how that might work in practice. Which land would be subject to keeper-induced registration? When would registrations begin? What fees would be payable? I am grateful to the minister for the clarity that he has provided on some of those issues.

Another issue is that even if there is no fee, expense will be occasioned to landowners in checking the land register and the work that has been done by the keeper. It must be borne in mind that even with a zero fee the exercise is not without cost to landowners.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-02304, in the name of Fergus Ewing, on the Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill.13:34
The Minister for Energy, Enterprise and Tourism (Fergus Ewing) SNP
I thank the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee for its thorough and collaborative scrutiny of the Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill. I also thank the ...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I declare my interest as a member of the Law Society of Scotland.As convener of the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, I mention that the committee recom...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I will consider further and respond in due course on reduced fees for voluntary registration. Does Mr Fraser agree that there is an incentive for voluntary r...
Murdo Fraser Con
The minister has made a fair point. In his opening speech he mentioned the proposal to introduce time-and-line fees. Higher costs would potentially act as a ...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I do not want to interrupt the flow of Mr Fraser’s speech too frequently, but I ask him—as one solicitor to another—whether it is fair to say that the high c...
Murdo Fraser Con
That is a fair point, although I am sure that when Mr Ewing was in practice he was very reasonable in the fees that he charged—as, indeed, was I.The offence ...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I associate myself with the thanks that Murdo Fraser and the minister offered to those who provided evidence to and assisted the committee. The bill is large...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Is it the Labour Party’s position that only companies or individuals who are resident and domiciled in Scotland should be able to buy land in Scotland?
Rhoda Grant Lab
No. If Mr MacKenzie listens to the points that I will make, he might understand where I am coming from.The land reform legislation was based on the need to k...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
It is a challenge to bring some verve and spice to the issue of land registration. The subject does not brim with pulsating excitement. Things were a lot mor...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We now move to the open debate. I remind all speakers that they have a fairly tight 10-minute time limit. Interruption. I am sorry: I meant to say four minut...
John Wilson (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I speak as a member of the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, which held a number of evidence-gathering sessions as part of its detailed examination of t...
John Park (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I thank the clerks for the support that they gave me as a new member of the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee when I started in January, just after the C...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak in the debate. Although I am what Murdo Fraser has described as “a non-lawyer”—I wonder whether that is a Latin...
Stuart McMillan (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As one of the non-lawyers on the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, it was with a sense of trepidation that I started out on my journey through scrutiny ...
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
This is an interesting topic. I have witnessed huge amounts of difficulty overseas, in particular for farmers who have smallholdings. When an inheritance has...
Jean Urquhart (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
When I offered to speak in today’s debate, I was aware that I would be doing so more from a sense of how important the bill is than from a position of taking...
James Kelly (Rutherglen) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate on the Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill. As someone who is not a member of the Economy, Energy and Tou...
Paul Wheelhouse (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I should declare an interest. I worked for BiGGAR Economics when it did the piece of work for Registers of Scotland on the economic impact of its proposals. ...
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP) SNP
As the convener of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee, I have an interest in the Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill dovetailing w...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I strongly commend Rob Gibson for much of what he said. In addition, I thank everyone who contributed to the committee’s work, in whatever capacity.My fellow...
Annabel Goldie Con
It is difficult in an essentially technical debate to introduce ideas and concepts without risking repetition. I prefer to comment briefly on one or two poin...
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab) Lab
I acknowledge that, although the bill is largely technical, most of its proposals have been welcomed and are required if we are to improve land registration....
Fergus Ewing SNP
I have thoroughly enjoyed the debate. There have been useful contributions from all sides. If I do not reply in my short speech to some of the suggestions an...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I will carry on for a bit, if I may.Mr Harvie acknowledged that point, as did others. I can tell him that we have had some discussions on the matter and offi...
Patrick Harvie Green
Will the minister allow his officials to have discussions with Opposition members prior to stage 2, so that we understand the limits of what the Government t...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I always do that.Why are reserves necessary? First, because the keeper cannot have access to consolidated funds; she must balance her budget. She does not ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
You have another four minutes.
Fergus Ewing SNP
Oh good. I thought that I needed to finish.