Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 15 March 2012
15 Mar 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Childcare
What I accept is that through the Con-Dem Government people have lost out. Last year in North Ayrshire, 1,200 families lost an average of £450 a year. Incidentally, the cost of nursery provision there is 63 per cent of the average cost in England.
Child benefit has been frozen, and increases in other work-related costs—for example, for travel—have meant that many people have had to give up work. The Con Dems have not finished yet, because—as we have seen in the Save the Children report—the impact of universal credit will be that many of our poorest families will lose up to £68 a week. Again, it is mainly women who will be affected. In addition, in Save the Children’s online poll 56 per cent of mums said that the main thing that is preventing them from working is the cost of childcare.
The report that the Liberal Democrats refer to in their motion came out of the wider “Childcare Costs Survey 2012”, one of the key recommendations of which was to increase
“the proportion of costs which can be claimed under the childcare element of Working Tax Credit ... to 80 per cent, with a higher rate of 100 per cent for families on the lowest incomes and those with disabled children.”
The survey warns the UK Government that the decision to cut tax credits will mean that some families are no longer better off going to work, once they have paid for childcare. The survey’s authors state that
“it is sheer folly that any parent has to leave work because they cannot afford to pay for childcare.”
It is amazing that the Liberal Democrats have picked out some of the details, but not the bits that they do not like. They have a bit of neck asking for more affordable childcare here when their colleagues in Westminster are driving up the cost of childcare in Scotland and the rest of the UK.
When the Scottish Parliament has control of the tax and benefit systems, we will be able fully to realise our ambitious vision for children and parents. We will be able to provide the wraparound service that is needed, by integrating early years education with affordable childcare, thereby ensuring the very best for our children and supporting parents by guaranteeing that work pays.
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Child benefit has been frozen, and increases in other work-related costs—for example, for travel—have meant that many people have had to give up work. The Con Dems have not finished yet, because—as we have seen in the Save the Children report—the impact of universal credit will be that many of our poorest families will lose up to £68 a week. Again, it is mainly women who will be affected. In addition, in Save the Children’s online poll 56 per cent of mums said that the main thing that is preventing them from working is the cost of childcare.
The report that the Liberal Democrats refer to in their motion came out of the wider “Childcare Costs Survey 2012”, one of the key recommendations of which was to increase
“the proportion of costs which can be claimed under the childcare element of Working Tax Credit ... to 80 per cent, with a higher rate of 100 per cent for families on the lowest incomes and those with disabled children.”
The survey warns the UK Government that the decision to cut tax credits will mean that some families are no longer better off going to work, once they have paid for childcare. The survey’s authors state that
“it is sheer folly that any parent has to leave work because they cannot afford to pay for childcare.”
It is amazing that the Liberal Democrats have picked out some of the details, but not the bits that they do not like. They have a bit of neck asking for more affordable childcare here when their colleagues in Westminster are driving up the cost of childcare in Scotland and the rest of the UK.
When the Scottish Parliament has control of the tax and benefit systems, we will be able fully to realise our ambitious vision for children and parents. We will be able to provide the wraparound service that is needed, by integrating early years education with affordable childcare, thereby ensuring the very best for our children and supporting parents by guaranteeing that work pays.
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In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick)
NPA
Good morning. The first item of business is a debate on motion S4M-02338, in the name of Liam McArthur, on childcare.09:15
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD)
LD
As Liberal Democrat education spokesman since last May, I have had the chance to participate in debates that have covered most aspects of how our education s...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
Taking all that into consideration, how will the move by Mr McArthur’s party, as part of the UK Government, to withdraw tax credits from 73,300 Scottish fami...
Liam McArthur
LD
I am grateful to Mark McDonald for again coming up with the standard stump speech from Scottish National Party members about things for which they do not hav...
Liam McArthur
LD
I am not sure what message that sends to the authors of the report or to those who are struggling day and daily with the problems that the report clearly ide...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
With all this negativity, will the member not at least try to concede that we should welcome the bold and ambitious target that the First Minister has set fo...
Liam McArthur
LD
I am being accused of negativity by an SNP minister. Now, there’s a thing.If we are to answer the First Minister’s plea for this united front to be successfu...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Lab
I accept that there are issues for the Scottish Government to look at in the forthcoming legislation, including Liam McArthur’s suggestions about what is hap...
Liam McArthur
LD
I am well aware of the concern that Mr Chisholm reiterates. However, the £300 million that has been invested in the childcare support element of universal cr...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Aileen Campbell)
SNP
I am proud to open the debate for the Government, because it comes after the First Minister’s hugely important announcement on childcare at the weekend. The ...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con)
Con
Given the commitments that were made in 2007, and to which Mr McArthur referred, why has it taken so long to get to this stage? When will the Government’s pa...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
We are committed to making improvements to the life chances of children across Scotland and to introducing potential legislation next year. We will work with...
Annabelle Ewing (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
SNP
Would the minister be interested to hear that, at the Welfare Reform Committee meeting the other day, not one of the groups that represented civic Scotland h...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
Annabelle Ewing raises a very good point, to which Liam McArthur should pay close attention.We have committed to increasing early learning and childcare prov...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I thank Liam McArthur for introducing the debate, and pay tribute to childcare providers in Scotland, such as North Edinburgh Childcare, which I visited last...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
Will Neil Bibby welcome the commitment that the First Minister made at the weekend to 600 hours of free early education and childcare?
Neil Bibby
Lab
I thank the minister for raising that issue, to which I will come shortly.Parents in Scotland are being hit by a double whammy. They are, first, being hit by...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
I remind Neil Bibby of my announcement about engaging with the third sector to identify gaps. Will he welcome that move, if not the 600 hours?
Neil Bibby
Lab
Absolutely, I will. As I said, we need to engage with children’s charities and national organisations, so of course we welcome that.We need a model in which ...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I call Liz Smith.09:39
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Con
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer.
Gavin Brown
Con
Presiding Officer.
Liz Smith
Con
I apologise, Presiding Officer.I thank the Liberals for bringing the debate to Parliament. Nobody in any political party in Parliament doubts how important t...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)
SNP
Liz Smith uses the phrase that the solution “is the right one”. Can she equate that with the report from the Institute for Fiscal Studies that shows that the...
Liz Smith
Con
What is right is the principle that it is better to be in work than on benefits. I fully accept that the coalition needs to revise details of its policy and ...
Margaret Burgess (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
SNP
I think that we all agree that supporting children in their earliest years gives them opportunities for learning and development that make a huge difference ...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
LD
Does Margaret Burgess accept that the extra £300 million that we are putting in through universal credit for childcare support is a positive thing?
Margaret Burgess
SNP
What I accept is that through the Con-Dem Government people have lost out. Last year in North Ayrshire, 1,200 families lost an average of £450 a year. Incide...
John Park (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
Today’s debate is timely. We have spent a lot of time talking about the impact on families, but I believe that the debate is clearly about the economy: it is...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
It takes a brass neck for the Lib Dems to come to the chamber to complain about the affordability of childcare while they vote in coalition with the Tories a...