Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 15 March 2012
15 Mar 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Childcare
I am well aware of the concern that Mr Chisholm reiterates. However, the £300 million that has been invested in the childcare support element of universal credit will extend access to childcare support to a further 80,000 families. There is a mixed picture. I certainly hope that UK ministers will keep that under review.
At the weekend, perhaps in anticipation of this morning’s Liberal Democrat debate, we heard the First Minister promise
“the best package of free nursery education on offer anywhere in the UK”.
It is to be delivered through legislation that will entitle every three-year-old and four-year-old to 600 hours of pre-school nursery provision a year. Although that might be welcome, it follows a similar promise by Mr Swinney in 2007, that the SNP Government would deliver 570 hours of nursery provision to the same group by 2010. While those 570 hours are currently enjoyed by three-year-olds and four-year-olds in England, in all but two council areas in Scotland, the figure is 100 hours less than that.
Interestingly, Bronwen Cohen, the chief executive of Children in Scotland, has warned that even the new commitment from the First Minister might do little to help working parents who are trying to negotiate between childcare and pre-school providers. In The Scotsman yesterday, Ms Cohen stressed:
“In the early years, care and education are indivisible. Treating them separately has led to considerable inequality in accessing services, contributes to high costs to parents for childcare and means that some families cannot make use of their child’s entitlement to pre-school education.”
In essence, those are precisely the symptoms that are exposed in the Children in Scotland and Daycare Trust report.
The First Minister has also pledged additional support for looked-after two-year-olds and children who are in foster care. Again, Ms Cohen highlights that, although that is undoubtedly valuable,
“it is markedly less generous than what is being offered in England and Wales.”
In England, investment is being made in 260,000 childcare places for 40 per cent of two-year-olds from the most disadvantaged backgrounds. That entitlement to 15 hours a week of free early education represents a £380 million commitment by the UK Government. In Wales, the flying start programme is making similar headway. Those programmes offer examples of where lessons could be learned and of approaches that could be adopted here. Sadly, when the SNP casts its eyes south, it is invariably to condemn, as its amendment does this morning.
I recognise that concerns have been expressed by Malcolm Chisholm, in Neil Bibby’s amendment and elsewhere about the impact that changes to the childcare element of working tax credit might have on low-income families. That should be kept under review, but it is clear that the changes that are being introduced under universal credits will see 80,000 families in the UK, including many in Scotland, receiving more support with childcare. The removal of the requirement that recipients work a minimum of 16 hours per week, as well as the £300 million investment, will be welcomed.
Children in Scotland and the Daycare Trust have provided invaluable insight into the challenges that we face in ensuring that access to affordable high-quality childcare in this country matches the best in Europe. In addition, their report identifies a number of areas in which we lag behind the rest of the UK. That may offend nationalist sensibilities to such an extent that the Scottish Government cannot bring itself to express concern about the report’s findings, but I hope that, in working through the early years task force, SNP ministers will be prepared to learn lessons from what is happening elsewhere in the UK, and that we will start to see the more joined-up approach to education and care that parents, children and those who are involved in the sectors wish to see.
I move,
That the Parliament recognises that access to affordable, high-quality childcare supports children’s learning and development and enables parents to return to, or remain in, work; notes with concern the recent report, The Scottish Childcare Lottery, which found that there are very significant gaps in the availability of childcare in Scotland, childcare costs are among the highest in Britain and that there is greater geographic variation in childcare costs in Scotland than in any other part of the UK; believes that, while some local authorities have worked hard to ensure sufficient childcare in their areas, much more work is needed from the Scottish Government and local authorities to ensure that families have access to affordable, integrated pre-school and childcare services in every community matched to an assessment of local demand, as is required by the Early Years Framework; is also concerned that Scotland is lagging behind England on entitlement to free pre-school education, and calls on the Scottish Government to respond to the concerns about availability and costs raised in The Scottish Childcare Lottery report, to ensure that the objectives of the Early Years Framework are met and to set out the steps that it will take to increase childcare support in Scotland in order to match the best elsewhere in Europe.
09:25
At the weekend, perhaps in anticipation of this morning’s Liberal Democrat debate, we heard the First Minister promise
“the best package of free nursery education on offer anywhere in the UK”.
It is to be delivered through legislation that will entitle every three-year-old and four-year-old to 600 hours of pre-school nursery provision a year. Although that might be welcome, it follows a similar promise by Mr Swinney in 2007, that the SNP Government would deliver 570 hours of nursery provision to the same group by 2010. While those 570 hours are currently enjoyed by three-year-olds and four-year-olds in England, in all but two council areas in Scotland, the figure is 100 hours less than that.
Interestingly, Bronwen Cohen, the chief executive of Children in Scotland, has warned that even the new commitment from the First Minister might do little to help working parents who are trying to negotiate between childcare and pre-school providers. In The Scotsman yesterday, Ms Cohen stressed:
“In the early years, care and education are indivisible. Treating them separately has led to considerable inequality in accessing services, contributes to high costs to parents for childcare and means that some families cannot make use of their child’s entitlement to pre-school education.”
In essence, those are precisely the symptoms that are exposed in the Children in Scotland and Daycare Trust report.
The First Minister has also pledged additional support for looked-after two-year-olds and children who are in foster care. Again, Ms Cohen highlights that, although that is undoubtedly valuable,
“it is markedly less generous than what is being offered in England and Wales.”
In England, investment is being made in 260,000 childcare places for 40 per cent of two-year-olds from the most disadvantaged backgrounds. That entitlement to 15 hours a week of free early education represents a £380 million commitment by the UK Government. In Wales, the flying start programme is making similar headway. Those programmes offer examples of where lessons could be learned and of approaches that could be adopted here. Sadly, when the SNP casts its eyes south, it is invariably to condemn, as its amendment does this morning.
I recognise that concerns have been expressed by Malcolm Chisholm, in Neil Bibby’s amendment and elsewhere about the impact that changes to the childcare element of working tax credit might have on low-income families. That should be kept under review, but it is clear that the changes that are being introduced under universal credits will see 80,000 families in the UK, including many in Scotland, receiving more support with childcare. The removal of the requirement that recipients work a minimum of 16 hours per week, as well as the £300 million investment, will be welcomed.
Children in Scotland and the Daycare Trust have provided invaluable insight into the challenges that we face in ensuring that access to affordable high-quality childcare in this country matches the best in Europe. In addition, their report identifies a number of areas in which we lag behind the rest of the UK. That may offend nationalist sensibilities to such an extent that the Scottish Government cannot bring itself to express concern about the report’s findings, but I hope that, in working through the early years task force, SNP ministers will be prepared to learn lessons from what is happening elsewhere in the UK, and that we will start to see the more joined-up approach to education and care that parents, children and those who are involved in the sectors wish to see.
I move,
That the Parliament recognises that access to affordable, high-quality childcare supports children’s learning and development and enables parents to return to, or remain in, work; notes with concern the recent report, The Scottish Childcare Lottery, which found that there are very significant gaps in the availability of childcare in Scotland, childcare costs are among the highest in Britain and that there is greater geographic variation in childcare costs in Scotland than in any other part of the UK; believes that, while some local authorities have worked hard to ensure sufficient childcare in their areas, much more work is needed from the Scottish Government and local authorities to ensure that families have access to affordable, integrated pre-school and childcare services in every community matched to an assessment of local demand, as is required by the Early Years Framework; is also concerned that Scotland is lagging behind England on entitlement to free pre-school education, and calls on the Scottish Government to respond to the concerns about availability and costs raised in The Scottish Childcare Lottery report, to ensure that the objectives of the Early Years Framework are met and to set out the steps that it will take to increase childcare support in Scotland in order to match the best elsewhere in Europe.
09:25
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick)
NPA
Good morning. The first item of business is a debate on motion S4M-02338, in the name of Liam McArthur, on childcare.09:15
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD)
LD
As Liberal Democrat education spokesman since last May, I have had the chance to participate in debates that have covered most aspects of how our education s...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
Taking all that into consideration, how will the move by Mr McArthur’s party, as part of the UK Government, to withdraw tax credits from 73,300 Scottish fami...
Liam McArthur
LD
I am grateful to Mark McDonald for again coming up with the standard stump speech from Scottish National Party members about things for which they do not hav...
Liam McArthur
LD
I am not sure what message that sends to the authors of the report or to those who are struggling day and daily with the problems that the report clearly ide...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
With all this negativity, will the member not at least try to concede that we should welcome the bold and ambitious target that the First Minister has set fo...
Liam McArthur
LD
I am being accused of negativity by an SNP minister. Now, there’s a thing.If we are to answer the First Minister’s plea for this united front to be successfu...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Lab
I accept that there are issues for the Scottish Government to look at in the forthcoming legislation, including Liam McArthur’s suggestions about what is hap...
Liam McArthur
LD
I am well aware of the concern that Mr Chisholm reiterates. However, the £300 million that has been invested in the childcare support element of universal cr...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Aileen Campbell)
SNP
I am proud to open the debate for the Government, because it comes after the First Minister’s hugely important announcement on childcare at the weekend. The ...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con)
Con
Given the commitments that were made in 2007, and to which Mr McArthur referred, why has it taken so long to get to this stage? When will the Government’s pa...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
We are committed to making improvements to the life chances of children across Scotland and to introducing potential legislation next year. We will work with...
Annabelle Ewing (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
SNP
Would the minister be interested to hear that, at the Welfare Reform Committee meeting the other day, not one of the groups that represented civic Scotland h...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
Annabelle Ewing raises a very good point, to which Liam McArthur should pay close attention.We have committed to increasing early learning and childcare prov...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I thank Liam McArthur for introducing the debate, and pay tribute to childcare providers in Scotland, such as North Edinburgh Childcare, which I visited last...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
Will Neil Bibby welcome the commitment that the First Minister made at the weekend to 600 hours of free early education and childcare?
Neil Bibby
Lab
I thank the minister for raising that issue, to which I will come shortly.Parents in Scotland are being hit by a double whammy. They are, first, being hit by...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
I remind Neil Bibby of my announcement about engaging with the third sector to identify gaps. Will he welcome that move, if not the 600 hours?
Neil Bibby
Lab
Absolutely, I will. As I said, we need to engage with children’s charities and national organisations, so of course we welcome that.We need a model in which ...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I call Liz Smith.09:39
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Con
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer.
Gavin Brown
Con
Presiding Officer.
Liz Smith
Con
I apologise, Presiding Officer.I thank the Liberals for bringing the debate to Parliament. Nobody in any political party in Parliament doubts how important t...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)
SNP
Liz Smith uses the phrase that the solution “is the right one”. Can she equate that with the report from the Institute for Fiscal Studies that shows that the...
Liz Smith
Con
What is right is the principle that it is better to be in work than on benefits. I fully accept that the coalition needs to revise details of its policy and ...
Margaret Burgess (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
SNP
I think that we all agree that supporting children in their earliest years gives them opportunities for learning and development that make a huge difference ...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
LD
Does Margaret Burgess accept that the extra £300 million that we are putting in through universal credit for childcare support is a positive thing?
Margaret Burgess
SNP
What I accept is that through the Con-Dem Government people have lost out. Last year in North Ayrshire, 1,200 families lost an average of £450 a year. Incide...
John Park (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
Today’s debate is timely. We have spent a lot of time talking about the impact on families, but I believe that the debate is clearly about the economy: it is...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
It takes a brass neck for the Lib Dems to come to the chamber to complain about the affordability of childcare while they vote in coalition with the Tories a...