Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 16 May 2012
16 May 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Library of Scotland Bill
I endorse Fiona McLeod’s concluding comments.
We have finally managed to get Marco Biagi off the NLS board in order that he can spend more time with his family and his constituents.
I thank the National Library of Scotland, the witnesses, committee colleagues, the clerks and particularly the convener of the Education and Culture Committee, who was almost in danger of losing his much-famed calmness when he was told that he had only three minutes in which to deliver his speech.
I am indebted to Clare Adamson for furnishing me with a comment from Carnegie in the stage 1 debate. Carnegie said that
“the best means of benefiting the community is to place within its reach the ladders upon which the aspiring can rise”,
which included free libraries. Clare Adamson talked about spending a lot of time in the library in Motherwell during her childhood. I did much the same in the Carnegie library in Kirkwall. Sometimes that was to avail myself of the books and research facilities there, but it was often to escape from the howling winds and driving rain. I continue to do that regularly in the new library building.
As many have said, the bill is welcome; perhaps it is overdue. It certainly succeeds in bringing the governance structures for the National Library into the 21st century, and it begins to address the changing demands that we have placed on that library while still enshrining the strengths that we all very much admire.
As other members have indicated, there were a few areas of concern during the passage of the bill. The cabinet secretary responded constructively to the points that were raised about the size of the board and effecting as smooth a transition as possible to the new arrangement, but concerns remained to the end about the powers of direction. I will not try to reopen the arguments, but on the points that our ferocious librarian made, if we look at the NLS’s other functions, ministers would want to be assured that the board was “encouraging education and research” and
“promoting understanding and enjoyment of the collections”.
Ministers would want to be assured that all those functions are being delivered, but they are not seeking powers of direction over them. The cabinet secretary has made clear her position on that. Overall, she has adopted a very constructive approach in meeting the concerns that have been expressed, and I think that the concerns that have been expressed by other members today and previously are now a matter of record.
I acknowledge that the National Library of Scotland is a national treasure. The demands that we have placed on it have changed over the years, and we can undoubtedly expect them to change further in ways that we cannot predict at this stage. I hope that the bill will help to ensure that it continues to meet the needs of an ever-growing number of people.
In conclusion, I draw members’ attention to the Orkney library and archive. Following its success in the golden twits for its contribution to social media, it is up for the library of the year award later this month. I hope that members wish it well in that regard.
We have finally managed to get Marco Biagi off the NLS board in order that he can spend more time with his family and his constituents.
I thank the National Library of Scotland, the witnesses, committee colleagues, the clerks and particularly the convener of the Education and Culture Committee, who was almost in danger of losing his much-famed calmness when he was told that he had only three minutes in which to deliver his speech.
I am indebted to Clare Adamson for furnishing me with a comment from Carnegie in the stage 1 debate. Carnegie said that
“the best means of benefiting the community is to place within its reach the ladders upon which the aspiring can rise”,
which included free libraries. Clare Adamson talked about spending a lot of time in the library in Motherwell during her childhood. I did much the same in the Carnegie library in Kirkwall. Sometimes that was to avail myself of the books and research facilities there, but it was often to escape from the howling winds and driving rain. I continue to do that regularly in the new library building.
As many have said, the bill is welcome; perhaps it is overdue. It certainly succeeds in bringing the governance structures for the National Library into the 21st century, and it begins to address the changing demands that we have placed on that library while still enshrining the strengths that we all very much admire.
As other members have indicated, there were a few areas of concern during the passage of the bill. The cabinet secretary responded constructively to the points that were raised about the size of the board and effecting as smooth a transition as possible to the new arrangement, but concerns remained to the end about the powers of direction. I will not try to reopen the arguments, but on the points that our ferocious librarian made, if we look at the NLS’s other functions, ministers would want to be assured that the board was “encouraging education and research” and
“promoting understanding and enjoyment of the collections”.
Ministers would want to be assured that all those functions are being delivered, but they are not seeking powers of direction over them. The cabinet secretary has made clear her position on that. Overall, she has adopted a very constructive approach in meeting the concerns that have been expressed, and I think that the concerns that have been expressed by other members today and previously are now a matter of record.
I acknowledge that the National Library of Scotland is a national treasure. The demands that we have placed on it have changed over the years, and we can undoubtedly expect them to change further in ways that we cannot predict at this stage. I hope that the bill will help to ensure that it continues to meet the needs of an ever-growing number of people.
In conclusion, I draw members’ attention to the Orkney library and archive. Following its success in the golden twits for its contribution to social media, it is up for the library of the year award later this month. I hope that members wish it well in that regard.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-02878, in the name of Fiona Hyslop, on the National Library of Scotland Bill.16:05
The Cabinet Secretary for Culture and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop)
SNP
I thank members of the Education and Culture Committee for their scrutiny of the National Library of Scotland Bill. Throughout the process, members have prov...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
I call Neil Findlay. You have up to seven minutes. Any time that you can save will be gratefully received. 16:15
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
In this era of huge change in information technology, with digital books, online resources, web-based learning, audio books and digital film, the role of mod...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Con
I add my thanks to those of Neil Findlay to Stewart Maxwell and the clerks. Stewart Maxwell has convened the committee with his normal sense of humour, and w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
We now move to the open debate. I regret to tell members that we are short of time, so if they can confine themselves to three-minute speeches, it would be m...
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I thank members for their kind comments about my convenership of the Education and Culture Committee throughout the bill’s passage. I thank in particular the...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
Over the past couple of centuries, libraries have evolved to become important institutions at the heart of communities across Scotland and the United Kingdom...
Clare Adamson (Central Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
The bill that is being passed today marks a new era for the National Library of Scotland, bringing its governance into the 21st century and freeing it to con...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con)
Con
When I read the bill as introduced, I had genuine doubt as to the status in law of the proposed new entity. The existing governance was clear: there was a st...
Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
SNP
I welcome the Government’s acceptance of an increase in the minimum board size, on which I commented at stage 1.I do not understand the positions of the othe...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD)
LD
I endorse Fiona McLeod’s concluding comments.We have finally managed to get Marco Biagi off the NLS board in order that he can spend more time with his famil...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
I offer my congratulations to Orkney library and archive, too.16:44
Liz Smith
Con
The debate has been largely consensual, out of a need to ensure that we maintain and enhance one of Scotland’s great national treasures for exactly the reaso...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Lab
Scottish Labour, too, welcomes the bill and recognises that reform of the structures that support our National Library is necessary. The fact that the existi...
Fiona Hyslop
SNP
I welcome the tone of the debate and the genuine respect that members across the chamber have expressed for the work of the National Library of Scotland.In r...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick)
NPA
There is far too much noise in the chamber. I ask members to settle down.
Fiona Hyslop
SNP
When I met other culture ministers in Brussels last week, I heard some fascinating insights from Professor Nigel Shadbolt of the University of Southampton ab...