Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 26 January 2011
26 Jan 2011 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 1
There are things in this budget with which we agree, such as the pay freeze on salaries of over £21,000, to protect jobs; the protection of the national health service budget; the funding for additional police; the maintenance of the cuts in business rates for small and medium-sized businesses; and the council tax freeze. They are all Conservative policies, but I am sure that members will agree that there is always room for more Conservative policies.
Like other parties, we have been in dialogue for some weeks now with the Scottish Government over the budget, and we have outlined our main concerns around where the Government needs to act to improve the budget and provide a greater focus on job creation in the private sector to support and rebalance the Scottish economy, and on reform of our public services, to enable them to be protected as budgets fall. We have not reached agreement with the Government, nor are we yet convinced that sufficient attention has been directed to either area. We will continue to press the case for greater emphasis on reforming public services and private sector job creation, and we will review the Government's response on that before we take a final decision on how to vote at stage 3.
With regard to tax, alone among the Opposition parties, we have supported the council tax freeze and, just as we made it clear that we would not support a budget that increased council tax this year, so we would not support one that seeks to do so next year. If we are not in government after the election, whoever is will have to look elsewhere for support if they want to hit Scottish families with higher council tax.
The tax on which more attention has been focused is, of course, the one on retail. It is a shame that, when the debate on the budget should have been about how to help create jobs, it has instead been about how to stop the SNP from destroying them in the retail sector.
Last week, the Minister for Enterprise, Energy and Tourism, no less, defended the tax increase, saying that it is
“an opportunity for the supermarkets to align with the people of Scotland”
—whatever that means. He claimed that that “redefinition of profit”—by which I think that he meant the extra tax—would allow retailers to
“move forward and to do even better in the future.”—[Official Report, 20 January 2011; c 32440.]
We are used to hearing Matherisms in Holyrood. I had expected that they would depart with the minister when he retires at the election, but Mr Swinney has clearly inherited the mind maps, as was obvious last week when he refused to tell us what business rates income is forecast to be in the current financial year. He said that
“information of this type can sometimes be misinterpreted and misconstrued by the forces of darkness”.—[Official Report, 20 January 2011; c 32438.]
I do not know who “the forces of darkness” might be, but I think Mr Swinney meant, “I am currently sitting on £89 million more than I expected this year, but if I mention that I will undermine the case for the extra tax on shops.”
I am grateful to the financial scrutiny unit of the Parliament for confirming what the cabinet secretary would not: that the Government is likely to get three times as much as it wanted to raise from the retail levy as a windfall in this current financial year from other businesses, through business rates.
Devolved fiscal powers should be used to make Scotland more competitive, not less competitive. I agree with Andy Kerr that we need to focus on how to help to create jobs in the private sector.
Like other parties, we have been in dialogue for some weeks now with the Scottish Government over the budget, and we have outlined our main concerns around where the Government needs to act to improve the budget and provide a greater focus on job creation in the private sector to support and rebalance the Scottish economy, and on reform of our public services, to enable them to be protected as budgets fall. We have not reached agreement with the Government, nor are we yet convinced that sufficient attention has been directed to either area. We will continue to press the case for greater emphasis on reforming public services and private sector job creation, and we will review the Government's response on that before we take a final decision on how to vote at stage 3.
With regard to tax, alone among the Opposition parties, we have supported the council tax freeze and, just as we made it clear that we would not support a budget that increased council tax this year, so we would not support one that seeks to do so next year. If we are not in government after the election, whoever is will have to look elsewhere for support if they want to hit Scottish families with higher council tax.
The tax on which more attention has been focused is, of course, the one on retail. It is a shame that, when the debate on the budget should have been about how to help create jobs, it has instead been about how to stop the SNP from destroying them in the retail sector.
Last week, the Minister for Enterprise, Energy and Tourism, no less, defended the tax increase, saying that it is
“an opportunity for the supermarkets to align with the people of Scotland”
—whatever that means. He claimed that that “redefinition of profit”—by which I think that he meant the extra tax—would allow retailers to
“move forward and to do even better in the future.”—[Official Report, 20 January 2011; c 32440.]
We are used to hearing Matherisms in Holyrood. I had expected that they would depart with the minister when he retires at the election, but Mr Swinney has clearly inherited the mind maps, as was obvious last week when he refused to tell us what business rates income is forecast to be in the current financial year. He said that
“information of this type can sometimes be misinterpreted and misconstrued by the forces of darkness”.—[Official Report, 20 January 2011; c 32438.]
I do not know who “the forces of darkness” might be, but I think Mr Swinney meant, “I am currently sitting on £89 million more than I expected this year, but if I mention that I will undermine the case for the extra tax on shops.”
I am grateful to the financial scrutiny unit of the Parliament for confirming what the cabinet secretary would not: that the Government is likely to get three times as much as it wanted to raise from the retail levy as a windfall in this current financial year from other businesses, through business rates.
Devolved fiscal powers should be used to make Scotland more competitive, not less competitive. I agree with Andy Kerr that we need to focus on how to help to create jobs in the private sector.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-7771, in the name of John Swinney, on the Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill.14:35
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Sustainable Growth (John Swinney)
SNP
Last week, I introduced the 2011-12 budget bill, which I commend to the Parliament. The bill takes forward the draft budget that I set out in November.I welc...
Margo MacDonald (Lothians) (Ind)
Ind
The cabinet secretary will forgive me if I do not identify a source from which I hope that he will find enough money to help to pump prime an initiative that...
John Swinney
SNP
There have been constructive discussions between sportscotland and Midlothian Council about the situation at Hillend, and I hope that a positive outcome can ...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Lab
The cabinet secretary is aware that Argyll and Bute Council has a huge number of islands to cover. Why does it face one of the largest cuts in spending compa...
John Swinney
SNP
Argyll and Bute Council’s need to support islands will be covered by the special islands needs allowance, which is applied to all local authorities that have...
Jeremy Purvis (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD)
LD
I seek clarification regarding the figures that the Government has published for the coming four years. Are those figures predicated on the 3 per cent effici...
John Swinney
SNP
The Government envisages that, for the longer term, an efficiency programme of 3 per cent will be essential to deal with the financial challenges that we fac...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab)
Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
The Presiding Officer
NPA
No. I am afraid that the cabinet secretary is in the last minutes of his speech.
John Swinney
SNP
I will have to draw my remarks to a close now, although I will be happy to give way to Elaine Smith when winding up the debate.I will consider the Finance Co...
Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD)
LD
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. It is on a procedural point. Could you make it absolutely clear that Parliament must not be misled? The cabinet secre...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Order.
Mike Rumbles
LD
The correct procedure is for the Parliamentary Bureau to recommend to Parliament that it consider the regulations next week. That is for Parliament, not the ...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
That item will be on the agenda for next Tuesday’s bureau meeting and it will be duly discussed then.I call Andrew Welsh to speak on behalf of the Finance Co...
Andrew Welsh (Angus) (SNP)
SNP
Before I turn to the detail of our report and recommendations, I will briefly outline some of the changes to this year’s budget process.The fact that the UK ...
Margo MacDonald
Ind
Will the member give way?
Andrew Welsh
SNP
Forgive me, but I have a great deal to cover. The key issue of efficiency savings has exercised the Finance Committee and our predecessors in sessions 1 and ...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab)
Lab
I thank the convener of the Finance Committee for his report to the Parliament.However, from looking at the budget, I believe that the signal failure of near...
Margo MacDonald
Ind
Will the member give way?
Andy Kerr
Lab
I will not at the moment, thanks.In four years, Mr Swinney has brought forward four budgets. He has slashed the funding to enterprise, to energy and tourism,...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Order.
Andy Kerr
Lab
The kids who are in schools that are decaying around them are not laughing, Mr Swinney. The people in our hospitals who require better care are not laughing,...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Order. Can we have slightly better order, please, from the party in government?
Andy Kerr
Lab
Not in my words, but in the words of The Sun, the budget was described as “The great Swinney swindle”. He did not even have the ability to respond to all-par...
John Swinney
SNP
Would Mr Kerr like to comment on the competitive disadvantage that he was party to creating when he was a minister in the previous Administration, which kept...
Andy Kerr
Lab
We set about—Interruption.
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Order.
Andy Kerr
Lab
We set about creating parity. Perhaps the cabinet secretary will compare his actions today to his manifesto promise that rates in Scotland would not rise abo...
Derek Brownlee (South of Scotland) (Con)
Con
There are things in this budget with which we agree, such as the pay freeze on salaries of over £21,000, to protect jobs; the protection of the national heal...