Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 26 January 2011
26 Jan 2011 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 1
Before I turn to the detail of our report and recommendations, I will briefly outline some of the changes to this year’s budget process.
The fact that the UK spending review was published only in October and that the Scottish Government’s budget was published in November meant that the time for parliamentary scrutiny was constrained. Rather than have a separate debate on the Finance Committee’s report in December, we agreed with the cabinet secretary to include our debate within the stage 1 debate on the Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill.
As part of our scrutiny this year, the committee held two evidence sessions with the right hon Danny Alexander MP, Chief Secretary to the Treasury, on the June budget and the spending review. The committee also took evidence on the review from members of the independent budget review panel and the cabinet secretary, and on the draft budget from public finance experts and the cabinet secretary.
Unfortunately, our planned external meeting in Carnoustie in December had to be cancelled because of adverse weather conditions, much to my regret. Although the planned workshops and school seminars could not go ahead, I put on record my thanks to everyone who agreed to give up their time to take part, and I echo what the committee said in its report, that we hope that our successor committee will be able to visit Angus at a future date.
I thank our committee clerks, our Scottish Parliament information centre researchers and our budget adviser, Professor David Bell, for their work, and I thank the members of all the other committees who contributed to scrutiny of the budget. The subject committees made a wide range of detailed recommendations in their portfolio areas. As it was not possible to cover them all in our report, I encourage all subject committees to seek their own formal responses from the relevant ministers.
On our report, it is important to say at the outset that the committee recognised that the budget settlement for 2011-12 is the most difficult since devolution. Mindful of that fact, the committee held a budget strategy phase of the process during the spring of 2010 to help to prepare the parliamentary committees and Parliament for the challenges that lay ahead.
In the time available, I cannot possibly cover in depth all the issues that were raised in our report, but I will pick out the main thrust of our recommendations and the key conclusions that we made. I am sure that committee colleagues will pick up any issues that I do not have time to cover.
This year, the committee framed its scrutiny around testing the strategic, cross-cutting aspects of the budget and some key portfolio issues against the Government’s stated core purpose and its three strategic priorities. During evidence from Scottish public finance experts, a strong view emerged that, from their critical examination of the choices that were made in the budget, the budget in fact prioritised the protection of services, rather than the Government’s stated purpose of increasing sustainable economic growth. In their view, cutting budgets that typically relate to the generation of economic growth—such as those for higher and further education, water, housing and the enterprise agencies—while protecting health spending by passing on the health Barnett consequentials from the UK spending review and protecting universal services makes it difficult to protect economic growth. We have, therefore, asked the Government to publish, prior to the stage 3 debate on the bill, an overview of the assessment that it has carried out to satisfy itself that the measures in the budget will in fact support economic growth.
The fact that the UK spending review was published only in October and that the Scottish Government’s budget was published in November meant that the time for parliamentary scrutiny was constrained. Rather than have a separate debate on the Finance Committee’s report in December, we agreed with the cabinet secretary to include our debate within the stage 1 debate on the Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill.
As part of our scrutiny this year, the committee held two evidence sessions with the right hon Danny Alexander MP, Chief Secretary to the Treasury, on the June budget and the spending review. The committee also took evidence on the review from members of the independent budget review panel and the cabinet secretary, and on the draft budget from public finance experts and the cabinet secretary.
Unfortunately, our planned external meeting in Carnoustie in December had to be cancelled because of adverse weather conditions, much to my regret. Although the planned workshops and school seminars could not go ahead, I put on record my thanks to everyone who agreed to give up their time to take part, and I echo what the committee said in its report, that we hope that our successor committee will be able to visit Angus at a future date.
I thank our committee clerks, our Scottish Parliament information centre researchers and our budget adviser, Professor David Bell, for their work, and I thank the members of all the other committees who contributed to scrutiny of the budget. The subject committees made a wide range of detailed recommendations in their portfolio areas. As it was not possible to cover them all in our report, I encourage all subject committees to seek their own formal responses from the relevant ministers.
On our report, it is important to say at the outset that the committee recognised that the budget settlement for 2011-12 is the most difficult since devolution. Mindful of that fact, the committee held a budget strategy phase of the process during the spring of 2010 to help to prepare the parliamentary committees and Parliament for the challenges that lay ahead.
In the time available, I cannot possibly cover in depth all the issues that were raised in our report, but I will pick out the main thrust of our recommendations and the key conclusions that we made. I am sure that committee colleagues will pick up any issues that I do not have time to cover.
This year, the committee framed its scrutiny around testing the strategic, cross-cutting aspects of the budget and some key portfolio issues against the Government’s stated core purpose and its three strategic priorities. During evidence from Scottish public finance experts, a strong view emerged that, from their critical examination of the choices that were made in the budget, the budget in fact prioritised the protection of services, rather than the Government’s stated purpose of increasing sustainable economic growth. In their view, cutting budgets that typically relate to the generation of economic growth—such as those for higher and further education, water, housing and the enterprise agencies—while protecting health spending by passing on the health Barnett consequentials from the UK spending review and protecting universal services makes it difficult to protect economic growth. We have, therefore, asked the Government to publish, prior to the stage 3 debate on the bill, an overview of the assessment that it has carried out to satisfy itself that the measures in the budget will in fact support economic growth.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-7771, in the name of John Swinney, on the Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill.14:35
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Sustainable Growth (John Swinney)
SNP
Last week, I introduced the 2011-12 budget bill, which I commend to the Parliament. The bill takes forward the draft budget that I set out in November.I welc...
Margo MacDonald (Lothians) (Ind)
Ind
The cabinet secretary will forgive me if I do not identify a source from which I hope that he will find enough money to help to pump prime an initiative that...
John Swinney
SNP
There have been constructive discussions between sportscotland and Midlothian Council about the situation at Hillend, and I hope that a positive outcome can ...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Lab
The cabinet secretary is aware that Argyll and Bute Council has a huge number of islands to cover. Why does it face one of the largest cuts in spending compa...
John Swinney
SNP
Argyll and Bute Council’s need to support islands will be covered by the special islands needs allowance, which is applied to all local authorities that have...
Jeremy Purvis (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD)
LD
I seek clarification regarding the figures that the Government has published for the coming four years. Are those figures predicated on the 3 per cent effici...
John Swinney
SNP
The Government envisages that, for the longer term, an efficiency programme of 3 per cent will be essential to deal with the financial challenges that we fac...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab)
Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
The Presiding Officer
NPA
No. I am afraid that the cabinet secretary is in the last minutes of his speech.
John Swinney
SNP
I will have to draw my remarks to a close now, although I will be happy to give way to Elaine Smith when winding up the debate.I will consider the Finance Co...
Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD)
LD
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. It is on a procedural point. Could you make it absolutely clear that Parliament must not be misled? The cabinet secre...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Order.
Mike Rumbles
LD
The correct procedure is for the Parliamentary Bureau to recommend to Parliament that it consider the regulations next week. That is for Parliament, not the ...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
That item will be on the agenda for next Tuesday’s bureau meeting and it will be duly discussed then.I call Andrew Welsh to speak on behalf of the Finance Co...
Andrew Welsh (Angus) (SNP)
SNP
Before I turn to the detail of our report and recommendations, I will briefly outline some of the changes to this year’s budget process.The fact that the UK ...
Margo MacDonald
Ind
Will the member give way?
Andrew Welsh
SNP
Forgive me, but I have a great deal to cover. The key issue of efficiency savings has exercised the Finance Committee and our predecessors in sessions 1 and ...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab)
Lab
I thank the convener of the Finance Committee for his report to the Parliament.However, from looking at the budget, I believe that the signal failure of near...
Margo MacDonald
Ind
Will the member give way?
Andy Kerr
Lab
I will not at the moment, thanks.In four years, Mr Swinney has brought forward four budgets. He has slashed the funding to enterprise, to energy and tourism,...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Order.
Andy Kerr
Lab
The kids who are in schools that are decaying around them are not laughing, Mr Swinney. The people in our hospitals who require better care are not laughing,...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Order. Can we have slightly better order, please, from the party in government?
Andy Kerr
Lab
Not in my words, but in the words of The Sun, the budget was described as “The great Swinney swindle”. He did not even have the ability to respond to all-par...
John Swinney
SNP
Would Mr Kerr like to comment on the competitive disadvantage that he was party to creating when he was a minister in the previous Administration, which kept...
Andy Kerr
Lab
We set about—Interruption.
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Order.
Andy Kerr
Lab
We set about creating parity. Perhaps the cabinet secretary will compare his actions today to his manifesto promise that rates in Scotland would not rise abo...
Derek Brownlee (South of Scotland) (Con)
Con
There are things in this budget with which we agree, such as the pay freeze on salaries of over £21,000, to protect jobs; the protection of the national heal...