Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 02 February 2011
02 Feb 2011 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As members have said, we are clear that there is a key and fundamental distinction between forced marriages, in which one or both people are forced to marry against their free will and which often involve abduction or abuse, and arranged marriages, to which both parties give their free consent. Although the evidence suggests that the incidence of forced marriage in Scotland is low—we support moves to improve the collection of data on that—it is an extremely high-impact occurrence, so it is right that the Parliament should take strong action against it. It is also right that we bring Scotland into line with legislation elsewhere in the UK to prevent forced marriage and protect victims.
In paragraph 16 on page 5 of the Equal Opportunities Committee’s stage 1 report, I read about the distressing case that was outlined by Laura McCrum of Saheliya in which a young girl of 15, the bride, and a young disabled British national with learning difficulties were turned into tragic victims through no wish of their own and to their considerable detriment through a forced marriage. That is the sort of thing that we hope the bill will prevent. The bill sets out Scotland’s position on forced marriage—namely, that we will not condone it.
There is widespread general support for the bill from many organisations, including Shakti Women’s Aid, Black and Ethnic Minority Infrastructure in Scotland, the Scottish Council of Jewish Communities and ACPOS, to name but a few. I was struck by the comments of Assistant Chief Constable Iain Livingstone of ACPOS, who told the committee:
“The bill’s ... value lies in its public message. We need to bring the matter into the open and to secure an absolute consensus that forced marriage will not be tolerated.”—[Official Report, Equal Opportunities Committee, 23 November 2010; c 2175.]
We support the committee’s calls for the Scottish Government to continue to engage with all relevant religious authorities on the issue of nullification of forced marriages, to raise awareness of the bill among all religious organisations and communities and to ask for their points of view.
When the Parliament debated the issue in December 2008, as the then communities spokesman for the Scottish Conservatives I said that we were ready to work with the Scottish Government to ensure that the legislation
“is as effective as possible, in the interests of all victims and potential victims of forced marriage.”—[Official Report, 4 December 2008; c 13143.]
That remains our approach. We look forward to the subsequent stages of the bill and to achieving a positive outcome for all in what is a sensitive area.
Louise Johnson told the committee:
“The beauty of having a forced marriage protection order is that it does what it says on the tin”.—[Official Report, Equal Opportunities Committee, 23 November 2010; c 2180.]
She beautifully summed up what the bill should do.
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In paragraph 16 on page 5 of the Equal Opportunities Committee’s stage 1 report, I read about the distressing case that was outlined by Laura McCrum of Saheliya in which a young girl of 15, the bride, and a young disabled British national with learning difficulties were turned into tragic victims through no wish of their own and to their considerable detriment through a forced marriage. That is the sort of thing that we hope the bill will prevent. The bill sets out Scotland’s position on forced marriage—namely, that we will not condone it.
There is widespread general support for the bill from many organisations, including Shakti Women’s Aid, Black and Ethnic Minority Infrastructure in Scotland, the Scottish Council of Jewish Communities and ACPOS, to name but a few. I was struck by the comments of Assistant Chief Constable Iain Livingstone of ACPOS, who told the committee:
“The bill’s ... value lies in its public message. We need to bring the matter into the open and to secure an absolute consensus that forced marriage will not be tolerated.”—[Official Report, Equal Opportunities Committee, 23 November 2010; c 2175.]
We support the committee’s calls for the Scottish Government to continue to engage with all relevant religious authorities on the issue of nullification of forced marriages, to raise awareness of the bill among all religious organisations and communities and to ask for their points of view.
When the Parliament debated the issue in December 2008, as the then communities spokesman for the Scottish Conservatives I said that we were ready to work with the Scottish Government to ensure that the legislation
“is as effective as possible, in the interests of all victims and potential victims of forced marriage.”—[Official Report, 4 December 2008; c 13143.]
That remains our approach. We look forward to the subsequent stages of the bill and to achieving a positive outcome for all in what is a sensitive area.
Louise Johnson told the committee:
“The beauty of having a forced marriage protection order is that it does what it says on the tin”.—[Official Report, Equal Opportunities Committee, 23 November 2010; c 2180.]
She beautifully summed up what the bill should do.
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In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-7820, in the name of Alex Neil, on the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill....
The Minister for Housing and Communities (Alex Neil)
SNP
I am pleased to open the stage 1 debate on the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill, which henceforth I shall refer to as the bi...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con)
Con
The Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill is important legislation. The Equal Opportunities Committee having been designated as t...
Mary Mulligan (Linlithgow) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased to take part in today’s debate on the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill. I have read the Equal Opportunities Com...
Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con)
Con
The committee’s report, for which I thank the convener, is fairly comprehensive. It is unable to evidence a substantial number of cases; however, although th...
Hugh O’Donnell (Central Scotland) (LD)
LD
The Scottish Liberal Democrats are happy to support the bill at stage 1. However, wearing two hats, as I am also a member of the Justice Committee, I support...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab)
Lab
Does the member agree that we must be very clear that forced marriage is not cultural, but is firmly viewed as abuse?
Hugh O’Donnell
LD
I have no argument with that at all. I recognise fully that forced marriage in any form, whether it involves physical, psychological or other duress—or indee...
Anne McLaughlin (Glasgow) (SNP)
SNP
It is incumbent on us all when we talk about forced marriage to keep making the point that it bears absolutely no relation to arranged marriage. We in the ch...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased to support the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill. I believe that it has successfully addressed the problems that...
Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP)
SNP
I thank Mary Mulligan for her positive response. It has been noted. I also pay tribute to my colleague Bashir Ahmad, who felt strongly about the issue—I thin...
Marlyn Glen (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased that the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill has at last come before Parliament, thereby allowing us to catch up w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman)
Lab
We move to the winding-up speeches. Hugh O’Donnell has a tight four minutes.15:16
Hugh O’Donnell
LD
It seems almost no time since I stood up for my opening speech. Unfortunately, this is a very limited debate. I would have welcomed having much more time for...
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
As members have said, we are clear that there is a key and fundamental distinction between forced marriages, in which one or both people are forced to marry ...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab)
Lab
Consensus seems to have broken out in the chamber this afternoon in what has been a regrettably short debate on an important subject. I agree with my colleag...
Alex Neil
SNP
Although this has been a short debate, it has been a high-quality one and there is a great deal of consensus around the chamber.As Sandra White did, I pay tr...
Hugh O’Donnell
LD
Will victims automatically appear on the vulnerable persons database, which the police manage, and will that be flagged up through partnership agencies that ...
Alex Neil
SNP
I imagine that that will normally be the case, but there are situations in which the police have discretion to decide what appears on the database. I do not ...