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Meeting of the Parliament 02 February 2011

02 Feb 2011 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Glen, Marlyn Lab North East Scotland Watch on SPTV
I am pleased that the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill has at last come before Parliament, thereby allowing us to catch up with legislation in the rest of the UK, and that it will make a breach of an FMPO a criminal offence. I understand the reservations that some witnesses have expressed about that move, but the most important thing is to send a strong signal that Scottish society does not condone forced marriage.

Such marriages have been described as low incidence but high impact, so the issue will not be easy to deal with, but we need to protect all our citizens, whatever their circumstances. Moreover, it must be recognised that human rights cannot be seen to be diluted by culture.

Forced marriage is recognised as a specific manifestation of domestic abuse that can affect both men and women, although in most cases it will be young women and girls who are likely to be forced into marriage. Given that evidence can come to light only after the victim complains of domestic abuse—and when, after further inquiry, it appears that there has, in fact, been a forced marriage—I welcome the fact that the legislation will help victims of forced marriages in the past.

As we have heard, there is broad agreement on the bill’s principles; that consensus will allow us to have a real discussion about the details. Although amendments will be lodged at stage 2, they will be largely technical and will cover, for example, the bill’s definition of relevant third parties applying for a protection order and, as we have heard, its definition of force.

The committee report goes into a lot of detail, but I want to concentrate on one or two issues. The definition of forced marriage that the Scottish Government uses is taken from the UK forced marriage unit’s definition, which says:

“A forced marriage is a marriage in which one or both spouses do not (or, in the case of some adults with learning or physical disabilities cannot) consent to the marriage and duress is involved.”

The report asks the minister to reconsider the use of that definition. Committee members heard evidence of women being forced into marriage to act as carers for physically or mentally disabled spouses or to produce an heir. The distress that is caused by such situations is hard to imagine. There is no informed consent from either partner in those situations. One may have been duped or coerced into the marriage, and the other may not have been capable of giving consent. However, there need not necessarily be duress in the case of a person with learning difficulties, for example. Such a person may not be able to give consent, so the marriage is forced. The definition is not included in the bill, but it still needs to be reconsidered.

That scenario also makes me question the Law Society of Scotland’s suggestion that forced marriage protection orders should have a maximum time limit of five years, unless perhaps a review procedure is to be included. Again, I am concerned about people with permanent learning disabilities. If such people are unable to give consent, the passage of time will not change that fact. A permanent FMPO would therefore be more appropriate in the circumstances.

I welcome the minister’s commitment to all the work that he outlined, and I look forward to hearing his response and to the further passage of this important bill.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-7820, in the name of Alex Neil, on the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill....
The Minister for Housing and Communities (Alex Neil) SNP
I am pleased to open the stage 1 debate on the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill, which henceforth I shall refer to as the bi...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill is important legislation. The Equal Opportunities Committee having been designated as t...
Mary Mulligan (Linlithgow) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to take part in today’s debate on the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill. I have read the Equal Opportunities Com...
Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con) Con
The committee’s report, for which I thank the convener, is fairly comprehensive. It is unable to evidence a substantial number of cases; however, although th...
Hugh O’Donnell (Central Scotland) (LD) LD
The Scottish Liberal Democrats are happy to support the bill at stage 1. However, wearing two hats, as I am also a member of the Justice Committee, I support...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab) Lab
Does the member agree that we must be very clear that forced marriage is not cultural, but is firmly viewed as abuse?
Hugh O’Donnell LD
I have no argument with that at all. I recognise fully that forced marriage in any form, whether it involves physical, psychological or other duress—or indee...
Anne McLaughlin (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
It is incumbent on us all when we talk about forced marriage to keep making the point that it bears absolutely no relation to arranged marriage. We in the ch...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to support the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill. I believe that it has successfully addressed the problems that...
Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
I thank Mary Mulligan for her positive response. It has been noted. I also pay tribute to my colleague Bashir Ahmad, who felt strongly about the issue—I thin...
Marlyn Glen (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased that the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill has at last come before Parliament, thereby allowing us to catch up w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman) Lab
We move to the winding-up speeches. Hugh O’Donnell has a tight four minutes.15:16
Hugh O’Donnell LD
It seems almost no time since I stood up for my opening speech. Unfortunately, this is a very limited debate. I would have welcomed having much more time for...
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
As members have said, we are clear that there is a key and fundamental distinction between forced marriages, in which one or both people are forced to marry ...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab) Lab
Consensus seems to have broken out in the chamber this afternoon in what has been a regrettably short debate on an important subject. I agree with my colleag...
Alex Neil SNP
Although this has been a short debate, it has been a high-quality one and there is a great deal of consensus around the chamber.As Sandra White did, I pay tr...
Hugh O’Donnell LD
Will victims automatically appear on the vulnerable persons database, which the police manage, and will that be flagged up through partnership agencies that ...
Alex Neil SNP
I imagine that that will normally be the case, but there are situations in which the police have discretion to decide what appears on the database. I do not ...