Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 02 February 2011
02 Feb 2011 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The committee’s report, for which I thank the convener, is fairly comprehensive. It is unable to evidence a substantial number of cases; however, although the cases that it finds may be few in number, they are undoubtedly large in impact. Clearly, the Government must act in respect of something that is completely disgraceful in modern times. The system that we have at present is more than unwieldy; frankly, it is a toothless tiger and totally ineffectual in dealing with the issue. We cannot leave ourselves open to having no legislation in place in Scotland when such legislation exists south of the border. That would put victims north of the border in a position of extreme disadvantage.
Over the past 30 to 40 years, this country—with the exception of the idiotic minority—has shown a praiseworthy degree of tolerance as many people from different parts of the world have settled here. Indeed, I often reflect on the fact that the degree of tolerance that is shown here to people from overseas is sometimes not reciprocated abroad.
We have a clear duty to do something here and I think that the FMPOs are the way forward, as they are simple and straightforward. There is, however, a major difficulty, which is reflected in the committee’s report, when the offence is technically committed furth of these shores. There is quite clear evidence that many instances of forced marriages have an international dimension. There will have to be a degree of co-operation on the part of the Scottish and United Kingdom authorities to ensure that the appropriate extradition agreements are made.
I flag up a problem over the issue of definition. I tend to agree that the issue of force should be included in the bill. I guide the minister along the route that the Cabinet Secretary for Justice took in relation to the Justice Committee’s report on the Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Bill, and suggest that, in terms of sexual assault, we deal with the definition, which involves not only the question of physical assault but the way in which coercion can be applied. In many instances, we are dealing with physical violence but, in other cases, the coercion is much more subtle, and involves family loyalties or sometimes even tribal loyalties. That must be considered. There must be a protection for someone who might feel, because of those loyalties, misguided though they might be, that they should go down the route of a forced marriage. I commend that approach to the minister.
On balance, I believe that the name of the perpetrator should be included in the order that is applied for, although I recognise the Government’s inhibitions in that respect.
I welcome the fact that the bill contains a provision for third-party applications, because a victim could be in a position of some difficulty if they had to make the application themselves. That is particularly evident if we consider the youth and comparative immaturity of many of the victims.
On behalf of the Scottish Conservatives, I say that this is a welcome piece of legislation. A bit of work remains to be done on it but I am sure that, at the end of the day, common sense will prevail, and we will produce a worthwhile piece of legislation.
14:57
Over the past 30 to 40 years, this country—with the exception of the idiotic minority—has shown a praiseworthy degree of tolerance as many people from different parts of the world have settled here. Indeed, I often reflect on the fact that the degree of tolerance that is shown here to people from overseas is sometimes not reciprocated abroad.
We have a clear duty to do something here and I think that the FMPOs are the way forward, as they are simple and straightforward. There is, however, a major difficulty, which is reflected in the committee’s report, when the offence is technically committed furth of these shores. There is quite clear evidence that many instances of forced marriages have an international dimension. There will have to be a degree of co-operation on the part of the Scottish and United Kingdom authorities to ensure that the appropriate extradition agreements are made.
I flag up a problem over the issue of definition. I tend to agree that the issue of force should be included in the bill. I guide the minister along the route that the Cabinet Secretary for Justice took in relation to the Justice Committee’s report on the Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Bill, and suggest that, in terms of sexual assault, we deal with the definition, which involves not only the question of physical assault but the way in which coercion can be applied. In many instances, we are dealing with physical violence but, in other cases, the coercion is much more subtle, and involves family loyalties or sometimes even tribal loyalties. That must be considered. There must be a protection for someone who might feel, because of those loyalties, misguided though they might be, that they should go down the route of a forced marriage. I commend that approach to the minister.
On balance, I believe that the name of the perpetrator should be included in the order that is applied for, although I recognise the Government’s inhibitions in that respect.
I welcome the fact that the bill contains a provision for third-party applications, because a victim could be in a position of some difficulty if they had to make the application themselves. That is particularly evident if we consider the youth and comparative immaturity of many of the victims.
On behalf of the Scottish Conservatives, I say that this is a welcome piece of legislation. A bit of work remains to be done on it but I am sure that, at the end of the day, common sense will prevail, and we will produce a worthwhile piece of legislation.
14:57
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-7820, in the name of Alex Neil, on the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill....
The Minister for Housing and Communities (Alex Neil)
SNP
I am pleased to open the stage 1 debate on the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill, which henceforth I shall refer to as the bi...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con)
Con
The Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill is important legislation. The Equal Opportunities Committee having been designated as t...
Mary Mulligan (Linlithgow) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased to take part in today’s debate on the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill. I have read the Equal Opportunities Com...
Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con)
Con
The committee’s report, for which I thank the convener, is fairly comprehensive. It is unable to evidence a substantial number of cases; however, although th...
Hugh O’Donnell (Central Scotland) (LD)
LD
The Scottish Liberal Democrats are happy to support the bill at stage 1. However, wearing two hats, as I am also a member of the Justice Committee, I support...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab)
Lab
Does the member agree that we must be very clear that forced marriage is not cultural, but is firmly viewed as abuse?
Hugh O’Donnell
LD
I have no argument with that at all. I recognise fully that forced marriage in any form, whether it involves physical, psychological or other duress—or indee...
Anne McLaughlin (Glasgow) (SNP)
SNP
It is incumbent on us all when we talk about forced marriage to keep making the point that it bears absolutely no relation to arranged marriage. We in the ch...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased to support the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill. I believe that it has successfully addressed the problems that...
Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP)
SNP
I thank Mary Mulligan for her positive response. It has been noted. I also pay tribute to my colleague Bashir Ahmad, who felt strongly about the issue—I thin...
Marlyn Glen (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased that the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill has at last come before Parliament, thereby allowing us to catch up w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman)
Lab
We move to the winding-up speeches. Hugh O’Donnell has a tight four minutes.15:16
Hugh O’Donnell
LD
It seems almost no time since I stood up for my opening speech. Unfortunately, this is a very limited debate. I would have welcomed having much more time for...
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
As members have said, we are clear that there is a key and fundamental distinction between forced marriages, in which one or both people are forced to marry ...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab)
Lab
Consensus seems to have broken out in the chamber this afternoon in what has been a regrettably short debate on an important subject. I agree with my colleag...
Alex Neil
SNP
Although this has been a short debate, it has been a high-quality one and there is a great deal of consensus around the chamber.As Sandra White did, I pay tr...
Hugh O’Donnell
LD
Will victims automatically appear on the vulnerable persons database, which the police manage, and will that be flagged up through partnership agencies that ...
Alex Neil
SNP
I imagine that that will normally be the case, but there are situations in which the police have discretion to decide what appears on the database. I do not ...