Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 02 February 2011
02 Feb 2011 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am pleased to take part in today’s debate on the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill. I have read the Equal Opportunities Committee report, and I congratulate it on addressing the important issues in the bill while keeping the report clear and concise so that even a Johnny-come-lately such as myself can understand it.
For most people, discussions on marriage are generally happy and positive, but for a small number of people who face the threat or reality of forced marriage the issue is full of fear. Although the bill may apply to only a small number of people, it is important that we proceed with it.
I will concentrate on three aspects of the bill, starting with the central plank that is the forced marriage protection order. Like the committee, I welcome the introduction of that measure. The order is easily understood by both the victim and the perpetrator, and I believe that it is a better way of addressing the problem than the civil remedies that we have at present. I especially welcome the fact that the measure will be both preventive and protective.
Section 1(6)(b) sets out a definition of “to force” that includes to
“coerce by threats or other psychological means”
and to
“knowingly take advantage of a person’s incapacity to consent to marriage or to understand the nature of the marriage”.
I agree that the definition is fine as far as it goes but, like Margaret Mitchell and the committee, I have some sympathy with witnesses such as Louise Johnson of Scottish Women’s Aid and Iain Livingstone of ACPOS who suggested that the physical aspect of force should be included. This is one of those debates that we frequently get into when discussing legislation: whether to imply that something is sufficient, as the minister suggests, or whether the bill needs to be more explicit. In this instance, I agree with the committee and those witnesses that the physical aspect of force should be included in the bill. I hope that the minister will look at that sympathetically.
Section 9 will make it a criminal offence to breach a forced marriage protection order and sets out the penalties that may be imposed. I recognise that that makes the Scottish bill different from the UK Forced Marriage Act 2007, but on this occasion I think that we are right. I add one note of discord in observing that we are only just catching up with the UK act; nevertheless, I welcome the fact that we are now there.
I understand the concerns that have been expressed about the criminalisation of a relative, for example. However, I remind members that we had that debate when we discussed the introduction of antisocial behaviour orders. Both of the orders are about changing behaviour. In this case, as long as the family member does not force the victim into a marriage—an act that we all find abhorrent—they will not be criminalised. I say that not to be glib, but to point out that the course of action is simple and clear. I support the committee’s plea for more clarity around the issue of how reporting and notification of a breach will be enacted, which is, I am sure, something to which it will return at stage 2.
I hope that I will avoid being chided by Sandra White for being negative today, as I am very supportive of the bill. I also hope that the minister will be able to respond positively to the committee’s report. In those terms, he will have the full support of the Labour group.
14:53
For most people, discussions on marriage are generally happy and positive, but for a small number of people who face the threat or reality of forced marriage the issue is full of fear. Although the bill may apply to only a small number of people, it is important that we proceed with it.
I will concentrate on three aspects of the bill, starting with the central plank that is the forced marriage protection order. Like the committee, I welcome the introduction of that measure. The order is easily understood by both the victim and the perpetrator, and I believe that it is a better way of addressing the problem than the civil remedies that we have at present. I especially welcome the fact that the measure will be both preventive and protective.
Section 1(6)(b) sets out a definition of “to force” that includes to
“coerce by threats or other psychological means”
and to
“knowingly take advantage of a person’s incapacity to consent to marriage or to understand the nature of the marriage”.
I agree that the definition is fine as far as it goes but, like Margaret Mitchell and the committee, I have some sympathy with witnesses such as Louise Johnson of Scottish Women’s Aid and Iain Livingstone of ACPOS who suggested that the physical aspect of force should be included. This is one of those debates that we frequently get into when discussing legislation: whether to imply that something is sufficient, as the minister suggests, or whether the bill needs to be more explicit. In this instance, I agree with the committee and those witnesses that the physical aspect of force should be included in the bill. I hope that the minister will look at that sympathetically.
Section 9 will make it a criminal offence to breach a forced marriage protection order and sets out the penalties that may be imposed. I recognise that that makes the Scottish bill different from the UK Forced Marriage Act 2007, but on this occasion I think that we are right. I add one note of discord in observing that we are only just catching up with the UK act; nevertheless, I welcome the fact that we are now there.
I understand the concerns that have been expressed about the criminalisation of a relative, for example. However, I remind members that we had that debate when we discussed the introduction of antisocial behaviour orders. Both of the orders are about changing behaviour. In this case, as long as the family member does not force the victim into a marriage—an act that we all find abhorrent—they will not be criminalised. I say that not to be glib, but to point out that the course of action is simple and clear. I support the committee’s plea for more clarity around the issue of how reporting and notification of a breach will be enacted, which is, I am sure, something to which it will return at stage 2.
I hope that I will avoid being chided by Sandra White for being negative today, as I am very supportive of the bill. I also hope that the minister will be able to respond positively to the committee’s report. In those terms, he will have the full support of the Labour group.
14:53
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-7820, in the name of Alex Neil, on the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill....
The Minister for Housing and Communities (Alex Neil)
SNP
I am pleased to open the stage 1 debate on the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill, which henceforth I shall refer to as the bi...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con)
Con
The Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill is important legislation. The Equal Opportunities Committee having been designated as t...
Mary Mulligan (Linlithgow) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased to take part in today’s debate on the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill. I have read the Equal Opportunities Com...
Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con)
Con
The committee’s report, for which I thank the convener, is fairly comprehensive. It is unable to evidence a substantial number of cases; however, although th...
Hugh O’Donnell (Central Scotland) (LD)
LD
The Scottish Liberal Democrats are happy to support the bill at stage 1. However, wearing two hats, as I am also a member of the Justice Committee, I support...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab)
Lab
Does the member agree that we must be very clear that forced marriage is not cultural, but is firmly viewed as abuse?
Hugh O’Donnell
LD
I have no argument with that at all. I recognise fully that forced marriage in any form, whether it involves physical, psychological or other duress—or indee...
Anne McLaughlin (Glasgow) (SNP)
SNP
It is incumbent on us all when we talk about forced marriage to keep making the point that it bears absolutely no relation to arranged marriage. We in the ch...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased to support the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill. I believe that it has successfully addressed the problems that...
Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP)
SNP
I thank Mary Mulligan for her positive response. It has been noted. I also pay tribute to my colleague Bashir Ahmad, who felt strongly about the issue—I thin...
Marlyn Glen (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased that the Forced Marriage etc (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Bill has at last come before Parliament, thereby allowing us to catch up w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman)
Lab
We move to the winding-up speeches. Hugh O’Donnell has a tight four minutes.15:16
Hugh O’Donnell
LD
It seems almost no time since I stood up for my opening speech. Unfortunately, this is a very limited debate. I would have welcomed having much more time for...
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
As members have said, we are clear that there is a key and fundamental distinction between forced marriages, in which one or both people are forced to marry ...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab)
Lab
Consensus seems to have broken out in the chamber this afternoon in what has been a regrettably short debate on an important subject. I agree with my colleag...
Alex Neil
SNP
Although this has been a short debate, it has been a high-quality one and there is a great deal of consensus around the chamber.As Sandra White did, I pay tr...
Hugh O’Donnell
LD
Will victims automatically appear on the vulnerable persons database, which the police manage, and will that be flagged up through partnership agencies that ...
Alex Neil
SNP
I imagine that that will normally be the case, but there are situations in which the police have discretion to decide what appears on the database. I do not ...