Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 17 November 2011
17 Nov 2011 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Oil and Gas Sector
We have had an excellent start to the debate. The minister’s speech was ministerial and helpful as opposed to partisan, and Lewis Macdonald’s speech was well argued—the part about health and safety was captivating at points, and very well put.
The minister put it correctly when he said that we have to look forwards and that looking backwards is not going to help.
There is a lot to agree with in the motion and in the speeches that we have heard so far. The minister talked about exporting the excellent skills in the sector in the North Sea and made particular mention of the subsea sector. He was quite right to do that.
I note that the minister is a member of the PILOT group and has been attending its meetings. I was particularly interested to hear about the consultation of the banking industry that is going on. I wonder whether there are ways in which the minister can keep members abreast of how that consultation proceeds, because it is critical to the future of the industry.
I am grateful for the publication of the minutes of the oil and gas advisory group, which I know Fergus Ewing co-chairs. I was extremely interested in the range of issues that the group—the cast list of which reads like a “Who’s Who” of the industry—covered. It is taking forward a variety of issues, including the global context, skills, innovation, technology and future strategy.
As far as the motion is concerned, all members will agree that the oil and gas industry makes an enormous contribution to the economy. The minister mentioned the number of jobs that it supports, directly or indirectly, but it is worth restating that, in Scotland, the figure that we are talking about is in the realm of 200,000.
The motion rightly mentions the contribution that the sector has made to the Exchequer in the past, since the early 70s, and the contribution that it is likely to make over the next 30 or—if Lewis Macdonald is correct—40 years.
We must focus on the industry’s potential. I read something in the PricewaterhouseCoopers report or in the Oil & Gas UK—
The minister put it correctly when he said that we have to look forwards and that looking backwards is not going to help.
There is a lot to agree with in the motion and in the speeches that we have heard so far. The minister talked about exporting the excellent skills in the sector in the North Sea and made particular mention of the subsea sector. He was quite right to do that.
I note that the minister is a member of the PILOT group and has been attending its meetings. I was particularly interested to hear about the consultation of the banking industry that is going on. I wonder whether there are ways in which the minister can keep members abreast of how that consultation proceeds, because it is critical to the future of the industry.
I am grateful for the publication of the minutes of the oil and gas advisory group, which I know Fergus Ewing co-chairs. I was extremely interested in the range of issues that the group—the cast list of which reads like a “Who’s Who” of the industry—covered. It is taking forward a variety of issues, including the global context, skills, innovation, technology and future strategy.
As far as the motion is concerned, all members will agree that the oil and gas industry makes an enormous contribution to the economy. The minister mentioned the number of jobs that it supports, directly or indirectly, but it is worth restating that, in Scotland, the figure that we are talking about is in the realm of 200,000.
The motion rightly mentions the contribution that the sector has made to the Exchequer in the past, since the early 70s, and the contribution that it is likely to make over the next 30 or—if Lewis Macdonald is correct—40 years.
We must focus on the industry’s potential. I read something in the PricewaterhouseCoopers report or in the Oil & Gas UK—
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-01349, in the name of Fergus Ewing, on the oil and gas framework.14:58
The Minister for Energy, Enterprise and Tourism (Fergus Ewing)
SNP
Thank you for accommodating this important debate, Presiding Officer. I welcome the opportunity to acknowledge the success of Scotland’s oil and gas sector, ...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD)
LD
Will the minister give way?
Fergus Ewing
SNP
Certainly.
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
Liam—
Tavish Scott
LD
I am Tavish Scott, not Liam McArthur.Does the minister recognise that one of the major economic opportunities over the next 15 to 20 years will be in decommi...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
I welcome Tavish Scott’s point; he is absolutely right that decommissioning will present considerable opportunities for Scotland. Just yesterday we received ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
I am sure that we should be reassured, minister. Perhaps you would like to move on.
Fergus Ewing
SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer.Access to finance is as much an issue in the oil and gas industry as it is in other industries, and oil companies are finding it...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Lab
I am grateful to the minister for giving way because he is “that sort of minister”.My point is on fallow fields, which—as the minister will be aware—are fiel...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
That is one of a number of factors that concern all members across all parties. I cannot speak for Chris Huhne, but I think that the UK Government is apprise...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
You can have a little more time, if you wish.
Fergus Ewing
SNP
That is very generous of you, Presiding Officer. You are that sort of Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
That depends on the day.
Fergus Ewing
SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. Technological excellence, robust supply chains, a skilled workforce and making best use of the existing onshore and offshore oi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
My pleasure. Could you please move the motion?
Fergus Ewing
SNP
I move,That the Parliament recognises the continued importance of Scotland’s oil and gas sector to the Scottish and UK economies, its support for 196,000 job...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
Thank you. I call Lewis Macdonald, who has a generous nine minutes.15:12
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
North Sea oil and gas have now been with us for a working lifetime. Other members, like me, will know people who have retired from the industry, having joine...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
SNP
I thank the member for recognising the future of the oil and gas industry. Is it not regrettable that in the second session of this Parliament his ministers—...
Lewis Macdonald
SNP
To be frank, what I regret is that after the minister’s constructive opening—and invitation for us to have a consensual and constructive debate—Maureen Watt ...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con)
Con
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Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
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Gavin Brown
Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
We move to the open debate. I can allow speeches of up to seven minutes.15:29
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
In June, I had a members’ business debate on oil and gas taxation. It was a constructive debate, which was handled constructively by all parties across the c...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
I apologise that I will have to leave for a brief period for a prior commitment with a constituent, although I will be back for the closing speeches.I join c...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
SNP
I welcome this debate, because oil and gas is a subject that is very close to my heart; I worked in the industry and went offshore as part of my job for some...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD)
LD
A number of weeks ago, Oil & Gas UK and the French company Total organised a parliamentary visit to the Elgin-Franklin field, which is east of Aberdeen. In o...
Mark McDonald
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?