Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 27 October 2011
27 Oct 2011 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Raising Attainment and Ambition (Young People)
First, I apologise for my voice; I have man flu. As all the women in the chamber know, men have difficulty with dealing with a slight cold.
When I came to the chamber, I thought that we would all work together in discussing the important subject of raising attainment and ambition for all Scotland’s young people, as we can agree on the matter. Children and how they achieve things in life are important. However, having listened to the Labour Party and Mr Macintosh’s initial rant, I see that we cannot seem to agree. There is negativity about the future. How can you be negative when you are talking about education and attainment for all the children of Scotland? How can you not want to achieve that? I know that Mr Macintosh is in a leadership contest. Perhaps he thinks that, although, unfortunately, his UK leader does not know his name, he might make a name for himself by having a go at the SNP.
Mr Macintosh mentioned the funding decisions that have had to be taken on education throughout Scotland. I have heard the Labour Party talking about such decisions in the Renfrewshire Council chamber and the Parliament, but Labour offers nothing. It gives us non-stop negativity and no ideas of how it would solve the issues.
We live in very difficult times. Mr Macintosh talks about small, large and composite classes and children moving through the system. What education departments are you talking about? I do not know of any director of education or any educationist who would allow a primary school child to go through school in that way. What was said was complete and utter nonsense, and you do a great disservice to the professionalism of educationists in our local authorities.
When I came to the chamber, I thought that we would all work together in discussing the important subject of raising attainment and ambition for all Scotland’s young people, as we can agree on the matter. Children and how they achieve things in life are important. However, having listened to the Labour Party and Mr Macintosh’s initial rant, I see that we cannot seem to agree. There is negativity about the future. How can you be negative when you are talking about education and attainment for all the children of Scotland? How can you not want to achieve that? I know that Mr Macintosh is in a leadership contest. Perhaps he thinks that, although, unfortunately, his UK leader does not know his name, he might make a name for himself by having a go at the SNP.
Mr Macintosh mentioned the funding decisions that have had to be taken on education throughout Scotland. I have heard the Labour Party talking about such decisions in the Renfrewshire Council chamber and the Parliament, but Labour offers nothing. It gives us non-stop negativity and no ideas of how it would solve the issues.
We live in very difficult times. Mr Macintosh talks about small, large and composite classes and children moving through the system. What education departments are you talking about? I do not know of any director of education or any educationist who would allow a primary school child to go through school in that way. What was said was complete and utter nonsense, and you do a great disservice to the professionalism of educationists in our local authorities.
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Will the member give way?
The Presiding Officer
NPA
The member is over his time.
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George Adam (Paisley) (SNP)
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Ken Macintosh
Lab
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George Adam
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I was talking about your idea that there would be constant change throughout a child’s primary school education. That simply will not happen in any school.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
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Mr Adam, would you address your remarks through the chair, please? Thank you very much.