Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 29 September 2011
29 Sep 2011 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Studies
From third time lucky to three strikes and you are out. I will continue—that intervention does not even deserve an answer.
Until Mr Findlay intervened, a consensus was developing. We all accept that learning about Scotland’s history, literature and music—the Scottish context—is a good thing, which is a decent starting point. Of course, much of that is happening already; we can agree on that, too. However, there is nothing incompatible in recognising that much great teaching of the Scottish context takes place while recognising that many shortfalls and inconsistencies exist and believing that what is good practice or even common practice must become standard practice.
The principle that is at stake is clear. The entitlement to an education is inseparable from the entitlement to an education about the society in which we live. Curriculum for excellence is strong on that. I do not accept the argument that, because Scottish studies would fit in well with curriculum for excellence’s ethos, it cannot happen. That seems to be an argument in favour of Scottish studies. I am left bemused at the state of a country in which the right to learn about the society in which we live is even contested.
Let us be clear: good practice exists, but gaps remain. That has been most obvious and most talked about in history. The last attempt that I could find to gauge knowledge of Scottish history was a study of 3,000 secondary 4s—it is a little dated and could perhaps do with being revisited—that was peer reviewed and published in The Curriculum Journal. It is most worrying that the main reason that was chosen—by 37 per cent—for the act of union was an English military conquest of Scotland. The most popular description of Culloden—chosen by 41 per cent—was a battle between wholly Scottish and wholly English armies. I put it very gently to anyone who is sceptical about Scottish studies that ending those misconceptions would in no way be nationalist brainwashing.
In case anyone thinks that I am singling out the youth of today—although the cohort to which I referred are my contemporaries—a 2004 study of 1,000 people across the United Kingdom on British history by the BBC found that distinctions between ages were minimal. However, 6 per cent of respondents to that study thought that the Spanish armada’s vanquisher was Gandalf from “The Lord of the Rings”, so perhaps the most important finding is a cautionary one about multiple-choice questions.
I am not the only one who thinks that there is a gap here. The Government has very much reflected civic society on the matter. As well as the Scottish studies working group, which has been given credibility by the involvement of figures such as Liz Lochhead, we had, in 2010, the literature working group, which worked with the Government in a cultural rather than educational context. One of the wide-ranging recommendations in its report, which I was drawn to in preparation for this debate, urged the inclusion of a mandatory question on Scottish literature in higher English. I do not know the background, but I suggest that that was the source of the current proposal. The group, which was chaired by The Herald’s literary editor, included Allan Massie and Andy Nicoll and I am sure that anyone who suggests that it was an agent of tartan parochialism can look forward to a very hearty write-up in The Sun.
Given the lack of any research, one cannot help citing personal experience in this debate. If members are going to be anecdotal, I should perhaps add my own anecdote, which, as I pointed out somewhat insensitively to some of my colleagues yesterday, is perhaps a little more contemporary than most.
For me, geography was the exemplar subject. Glaciation was taught with reference to the Clyde coast and Glen Fruin and the starting point for examining urban land use was the town in which we lived. It was a fine example of teaching of universal concepts through a Scottish context. Such an approach meant that learners could more readily access and identify the subject matter. It felt alive and relevant.
I have nothing but the highest praise for music, which ranged with a very even hand across cultures, genres and periods. However, I took English for six years and, aside from one Liz Lochhead poem, the closest it ever came to Scottish literature was “Macbeth”—which does not count. Do not even get me started on history. Two of my nephews now attend the same school and, as far as I can see, little has changed. That kind of patchwork needs to be addressed.
Until Mr Findlay intervened, a consensus was developing. We all accept that learning about Scotland’s history, literature and music—the Scottish context—is a good thing, which is a decent starting point. Of course, much of that is happening already; we can agree on that, too. However, there is nothing incompatible in recognising that much great teaching of the Scottish context takes place while recognising that many shortfalls and inconsistencies exist and believing that what is good practice or even common practice must become standard practice.
The principle that is at stake is clear. The entitlement to an education is inseparable from the entitlement to an education about the society in which we live. Curriculum for excellence is strong on that. I do not accept the argument that, because Scottish studies would fit in well with curriculum for excellence’s ethos, it cannot happen. That seems to be an argument in favour of Scottish studies. I am left bemused at the state of a country in which the right to learn about the society in which we live is even contested.
Let us be clear: good practice exists, but gaps remain. That has been most obvious and most talked about in history. The last attempt that I could find to gauge knowledge of Scottish history was a study of 3,000 secondary 4s—it is a little dated and could perhaps do with being revisited—that was peer reviewed and published in The Curriculum Journal. It is most worrying that the main reason that was chosen—by 37 per cent—for the act of union was an English military conquest of Scotland. The most popular description of Culloden—chosen by 41 per cent—was a battle between wholly Scottish and wholly English armies. I put it very gently to anyone who is sceptical about Scottish studies that ending those misconceptions would in no way be nationalist brainwashing.
In case anyone thinks that I am singling out the youth of today—although the cohort to which I referred are my contemporaries—a 2004 study of 1,000 people across the United Kingdom on British history by the BBC found that distinctions between ages were minimal. However, 6 per cent of respondents to that study thought that the Spanish armada’s vanquisher was Gandalf from “The Lord of the Rings”, so perhaps the most important finding is a cautionary one about multiple-choice questions.
I am not the only one who thinks that there is a gap here. The Government has very much reflected civic society on the matter. As well as the Scottish studies working group, which has been given credibility by the involvement of figures such as Liz Lochhead, we had, in 2010, the literature working group, which worked with the Government in a cultural rather than educational context. One of the wide-ranging recommendations in its report, which I was drawn to in preparation for this debate, urged the inclusion of a mandatory question on Scottish literature in higher English. I do not know the background, but I suggest that that was the source of the current proposal. The group, which was chaired by The Herald’s literary editor, included Allan Massie and Andy Nicoll and I am sure that anyone who suggests that it was an agent of tartan parochialism can look forward to a very hearty write-up in The Sun.
Given the lack of any research, one cannot help citing personal experience in this debate. If members are going to be anecdotal, I should perhaps add my own anecdote, which, as I pointed out somewhat insensitively to some of my colleagues yesterday, is perhaps a little more contemporary than most.
For me, geography was the exemplar subject. Glaciation was taught with reference to the Clyde coast and Glen Fruin and the starting point for examining urban land use was the town in which we lived. It was a fine example of teaching of universal concepts through a Scottish context. Such an approach meant that learners could more readily access and identify the subject matter. It felt alive and relevant.
I have nothing but the highest praise for music, which ranged with a very even hand across cultures, genres and periods. However, I took English for six years and, aside from one Liz Lochhead poem, the closest it ever came to Scottish literature was “Macbeth”—which does not count. Do not even get me started on history. Two of my nephews now attend the same school and, as far as I can see, little has changed. That kind of patchwork needs to be addressed.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-00959, in the name of Alasdair Allan, on Scottish studies.14:54
The Minister for Learning and Skills (Dr Alasdair Allan)
SNP
In opening the debate for the Government I will admit a rare thing in politics, which is that I care fairly deeply about whether the Parliament intends to ac...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
We have some time in hand for the debate. I call Claire Baker to speak to and move amendment S4M-00959.2. Ms Baker, you have a generous nine minutes, and I c...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer.I welcome the opportunity to open this afternoon’s debate for Labour. There has been much commentary on proposals for Scottish s...
Claire Baker
Lab
Thank you. It is in English literature, more specifically Sylvia Plath. Although the field is known as English literature, I came to it through the study of ...
Dr Allan
SNP
I thank the member for giving way and I welcome the tone of everything that she has said, at least up until that point. She clearly welcomes the idea of lite...
Claire Baker
Lab
That is an important point, which the working group needs to look at. As I will go on to explain, many of us have experience—personal experience or experienc...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Con
I hope that I am qualified to participate in the debate, even though I do not have a doctorate. I thank the Scottish Government for at least giving us a litt...
Dr Allan
SNP
Does the member agree that one thing that would make a difference—it is certainly a theme that is beginning to emerge from the working group—is for teachers ...
Liz Smith
Con
Of course I welcome any measures that give teachers more confidence. What I am asking is: why is it that the proposed Scottish studies course gives something...
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
SNP
Children in Scotland have a right to be taught about their country. Far too many young people leave school with little knowledge of Scotland’s history, geogr...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
Like Mr Gibson, I was a modern studies teacher, but I also taught in primary schools until the election. In those schools, I saw a vast range of subjects and...
Rob Gibson
SNP
In the past, nobody questioned the higher history module on the history of the Labour Party. That was not seen as brainwashing or an extra addition to the cu...
Neil Findlay
Lab
Can the member give us an example?
Rob Gibson
SNP
I can give him plenty of examples from where I have taught. The circumstances are such that we have to consider the attitudes behind this matter.
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
Will the member give way?
Rob Gibson
SNP
Not at the moment. During the debates in 2010 about the questions in the census, there was a concern that a question about the Scots language, introduced for...
Liz Smith
Con
I totally accept some of the points that the member is making but would he agree that it is the point of the curriculum for excellence to concentrate on many...
Rob Gibson
SNP
I think that that will be strengthened by the proposals that we are discussing. The question of esteem is also important in relation to the issue of traditio...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome the opportunity to contribute to the debate. Both my parents are teachers—my dad is an English teacher and my mum is a modern languages teacher—so ...
Dr Allan
SNP
I thank Kezia Dugdale for making that point. I merely emphasise what I said before about the recognition of a Scottish studies qualification. One of the opti...
Kezia Dugdale
Lab
The minister’s intervention is helpful, particularly as he said in his opening remarks that greater structure is necessary to provide Scottish studies, where...
Kezia Dugdale
Lab
I am just coming on to a point that Rob Gibson made about higher history. He said that there was nothing in higher history about Scotland’s history, but I ha...
Rob Gibson
SNP
As Kezia Dugdale knows, it is up to the teachers to choose which of those sections they will teach. How many people learn about the wars of independence in c...
Kezia Dugdale
Lab
I am afraid that Rob Gibson is incorrect. I am reading from the SQA guidelines on higher history, which state:“Candidates must respond to one context within ...
Marco Biagi (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
SNP
Perhaps Jack McConnell’s most useful contribution to Scottish political debate was his introduction of the term “Scottish cringe” into widespread use. Today,...
Neil Findlay
Lab
Will Marco Biagi give way?
Marco Biagi
SNP
In previous education debates, I have taken two interventions from Mr Findlay, neither of which was constructive or useful. However, perhaps it will be third...
Neil Findlay
Lab
Is Marco Biagi seriously saying that that was the most positive contribution of Jack McConnell’s time as First Minister? I hope that Marco Biagi recalls the ...
Marco Biagi
SNP
From third time lucky to three strikes and you are out. I will continue—that intervention does not even deserve an answer.Until Mr Findlay intervened, a cons...