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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 29 September 2011

29 Sep 2011 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scotland’s Colleges
Last week, The Herald contained a disturbing headline, indicating that 1,000 further education jobs have been lost in a year. Although that does not tell the whole story of what is happening in Scotland’s colleges, it gives a little glimpse into what happens when the Scottish National Party cuts 10 per cent from their budget. One thousand jobs have been lost at a time when the country is struggling to get out of recession and when unemployment is at unacceptably high levels; when this Government is supposedly implementing a no compulsory redundancy policy; and in the very area that has most to offer in making our young people more employable. The Scottish Government greeted the news with a decision to cut a further 20 per cent from the colleges’ budget over the next three years.

The impact of last year’s cuts—let alone this year’s cuts—has been felt across the sector by students as well as by those who teach them. Colleges are funded to deliver 21 hours of classroom time per student each week, but the only way in which colleges have been able to keep within their budgets and still keep up their numbers has been by cutting the hours on offer to each student from 21 to 16. Is the cabinet secretary aware that colleges are offering their students less classroom time? If he is, did he approve that decision? If he is not aware of it, what does he intend to do about it? Perhaps he thinks that such a cut will have no effect on the quality of teaching and learning.

The college closure—I am sorry; the college merger—agenda may look good to the SNP on paper, but I am not convinced that it has thought it through. We are not against mergers where they are necessary, but one of the main reasons why colleges offer similar courses in various parts of the country is that the locality matters to many students. It is all very well telling South Lanarkshire College to close its course offering—Margaret McCulloch spoke about that in the chamber last week—and telling students to go to Glasgow instead, but most students cannot afford that round trip and for some that will mean the difference between staying the distance and dropping out before they receive their qualification.

It is not just the students and the communities that they live in that will lose out. The worry is that the vast new impersonal regional groupings could also lose the ability to respond to the local needs and demands of businesses and employers. They could lose the very flexibility that the Scottish Government praised just last year.

There is support for public sector reform—colleges themselves have long embraced reform and the Labour Party has championed and supported reform in and out of office—but the SNP is deliberately confusing and conflating reform with cuts. The new term “positive reform” that Mike Russell has coined appears to be another term for huge cuts.

It is even more worrying that the cabinet secretary appears to be taking a pretty elitist approach to further and higher education. The ancients—the old, established universities—are protected as much as possible and the newer, more accessible red-brick institutions are given thinly veiled threats to merge or else. Liz Smith referred to Lord Sutherland’s reference to “merger by fax” earlier this week. The poor colleges are treated like below-stairs staff. Mr Russell appears to be auditioning for “Downton Abbey”.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-00955, in the name of Liz Smith, on Scotland’s colleges. 10:25
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
If there is a sector in Scottish education that has made the most substantial progress in recent years, it is the college sector. Its institutions have deliv...
Jamie Hepburn (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP) SNP
I assume that the member’s inference is that her colleagues down south have levered in private finance to further education and have not, therefore, passed o...
Liz Smith Con
For the simple reason that the Scottish National Party Government will not accept the fact that it cannot just say that it does not approve of the principle ...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
Does the member want further education students to pay in Scotland?
Liz Smith Con
There are many FE students who might have higher education places in colleges and, if they come from the rest of the UK, they will surely be paying.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I say to Mr Doris that interventions should be made officially.
Liz Smith Con
Along with many in the university sector and many public figures such as Lord Sutherland and Sir Andrew Cubie, the Scottish Conservatives have persistently a...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell) SNP
In my statement to the chamber two weeks ago, I made clear the breadth and depth of Scotland’s post-16 education system. I also made clear the value that the...
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Michael Russell SNP
No—I will make progress.The college sector’s structure has lain largely untouched for many years. Now we have an opportunity and a pressing need for positive...
Liz Smith Con
Notwithstanding the cabinet secretary’s comment about cuts, why does the college sector—relative to the higher education sector—have to bear the brunt of cuts?
Michael Russell SNP
That is because we are focused on positive reform that builds on the fundamental changes to school education that are under way through curriculum for excell...
Ken Macintosh Lab
Will the cabinet secretary clarify his remark that students will not have to pay fees? Does he not actually mean Scottish students? After all, he has introdu...
Michael Russell SNP
I have frequently said that I wish that that had not been the case. I wish that the Labour Party had not so enthusiastically backed student fees south of the...
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab) Lab
Last week, The Herald contained a disturbing headline, indicating that 1,000 further education jobs have been lost in a year. Although that does not tell the...
Bob Doris SNP
I am confused. Mr Macintosh mentioned the “merger by fax” comment, but I understand that, last week, he asked the cabinet secretary to tell us which universi...
Ken Macintosh Lab
That is a pretty convoluted point, but I think that Mr Doris has just admitted that the University of Abertay Dundee will be closed. I think that that was wh...
Michael Russell SNP
I am very interested that Ken Macintosh wants to see more vocational education. I presume that he therefore endorses a point of view that was put forward las...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Mr Macintosh, you are now slightly over your time, but I will give you some leeway because of the interventions that you have taken.
Ken Macintosh Lab
I am delighted that Mike Russell pays such close attention to Labour Party policy and its conference. The SNP has already adopted the sensible Labour Party p...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the debate, but I am astounded by the claim from the Conservatives and Liz Smith that, in the one week since the spending review announcement, they...
Liz Smith Con
Will the member give way?
Chic Brodie SNP
No. I am sorry, but I have only four minutes.The professionals also recognise that, in a progressive country, change is a constant. As the cabinet secretary ...
Liz Smith Con
Will the member give way?
Chic Brodie SNP
No, sorry.Will the Conservatives accept that the reforms will result in even greater consultation and collaboration to produce greater partnerships that will...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
When the cabinet secretary reported to us what the principals had been saying, he failed to report what they are saying about the cuts. The truth is that the...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jenny Marra Lab
No, thank you.The SNP has made its choices in line with its own priorities. Those choices will curtail the choices of many other people; often, they will cur...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?