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Meeting of the Parliament 23 November 2011

23 Nov 2011 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Carers and Young Carers Strategy
Simpson, Dr Richard Lab Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV
I welcome this opportunity to open and close this important debate. My colleague Claire Baker will talk in more detail about child and student carers, as well as about kinship care. Mary Fee and Siobhan McMahon will give examples of where we think that there is a gap between the Scottish Government’s aspirations and the present reality, and Margaret McCulloch will talk a bit more about carers’ rights, and look at some of their effects on carers.

Debates such as this are crucial in demonstrating the problems that carers face in their daily lives, and how we, as elected officials, should do all that we can to highlight the issues and come up with solutions to protect and assist those who care and are cared for. They include Zoe Bojelian, a full-time parent and carer for her son, who suffers from complex medical needs and who communicated with us through assistive technology. He told us that he did not feel that he was an equal partner in care. He did not believe that that was a reality at the moment.

We need to deal in reality. I fully acknowledge the excellent and ambitious Scottish National Party strategy and implementation plan of 2010. It builds on Labour’s previous plans of 2006, and extends them in a very ambitious way. I am concerned, however, that there is a gap between the rhetoric and the reality.

The minister has indicated that we have around 657,000 carers in Scotland, which means that approximately 14 per cent of households include a carer. Three quarters of those are single carers—there is just one carer in the household—and they most commonly care for a parent, although it could be for a spouse, a child or a sibling. Of those carers, 23 per cent will spend more than 50 hours caring for an individual, which is a lot longer than the European working time directive allows. They do all that work unpaid, with little in the way of financial support.

We have quite a lot of data, but it comes from the 2001 census, so I will ask the minister a number of questions to which he may care to respond. The Government’s strategy indicates that

“the views of carers’ organisations will be taken into account in deciding what analysis tables will be produced for the General Register Office for Scotland 2011 Census.”

What steps have been taken on that particular aspect of the data? How is that work progressing?

I welcome the minister’s statement and the fact that he has launched the plan, but I have some questions for him about primary care and health professionals. We know that 28 per cent of households in the most deprived areas contain carers, as opposed to 13 per cent in the least deprived areas. Once again, I ask him whether we will ensure that the resources are directed to practices—such as the deep-end practices—that work in our most deprived areas.

How many primary care co-ordinators are now working with health boards? They are in place already in South Lanarkshire and the Borders, but has the programme been extended? What has been the Government’s response to the welcome results that were published by the Moffat programme? The programme, which was sponsored by the Government, seems to have been very successful and produced a number of recommendations.

Around 37 per cent of carers are over 60, and many of them will themselves be suffering from long-term conditions. As the minister said, the carers assessment, which was brought in by the Community Care and Health (Scotland) Act 2002, is a fundamental part of support for carers. Not all carers will seek it, but they must be offered it. Much of the research literature recognises that there are still barriers to that assessment—for example, middle managers are not keen to assess carers because the assessments will unveil even more need and create financial and support problems for them.

We know that 70 per cent of carers will hide the fact that their health is suffering. Indeed, a survey to be published next week suggests that 79 per cent of the Scots involved in it said that their health has been getting worse recently, and that their mental and physical health is suffering as a result of caring. That is a sad fact, but it therefore behoves us to ensure that assessments are carried out.

Many carers are isolated and experience poverty of opportunity and difficulties with the financial impact of caring. They may require additional heating or special diets, or they may need to refurbish a home that has been damaged by a child with autism. They also need to spend more on transport. A comprehensive assessment is therefore fundamental.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-01399, in the name of Michael Matheson, on implementation of the carers and young carers strategy.14:33
The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson) SNP
I open the debate by acknowledging the huge commitment and support that is provided by Scotland’s estimated 650,000 carers and up to 100,000 young carers. Un...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I certainly do not doubt the minister’s intention, but how is the Government going to monitor the situation to ensure that that happens? It is what happens o...
Michael Matheson SNP
We have 32 local delivery change plans in place. They must be signed off by the health board, the local authority and the third sector. When a bid is made fo...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Richard Simpson to speak to and move amendment S4M-1399.3. Dr Simpson, you have 10 minutes. 14:48
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I welcome this opportunity to open and close this important debate. My colleague Claire Baker will talk in more detail about child and student carers, as wel...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
With regard to the financial impact, does Dr Simpson share my regret that the carers allowance remains such a pitiful sum, and excludes many carers—particula...
Dr Simpson Lab
I agree with Mark McDonald on that, and I add that the Welfare Reform Bill will not help matters, because some carers will lose their allowance as people wil...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The member needs to wind up.
Dr Simpson Lab
We acknowledge the Government’s motion.I move amendment S4M-01399.3, to leave out from “agrees” to end and insert:“further acknowledges promises in successiv...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
In recognising the enormous contribution that carers and young carers make to society and to the Scottish economy through the considerable sums of money that...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
If we asked for a show of hands from members who are either carers or who know of someone close to them who is a carer, we would have an almost 100 per cent ...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
The minister made it clear in his speech just how much the Scottish Government recognises the debt that Scotland owes to its carers and the huge role that th...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to take part in this debate on carers. My family chose to be carers—they made a positive decision to take on the responsibility of ...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP
First, I declare an interest as co-convener of the current cross-party group on carers, having been a deputy convener of the group in session 3 of the Parlia...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I very much welcome the strategy and the strong statement of intent that it contains. It is clear from what the minister has said, and indeed from the increa...
Siobhan McMahon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
When I read the Government’s carers strategy, one passage immediately stood out:“Carers are ... fundamental to strong families and partnerships and to resili...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
I suspend the meeting until the sound gets sorted out.15:35 Meeting suspended. 15:44 On resuming—
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
If members are sitting comfortably, we will begin again. I invite Siobhan McMahon to resume at an appropriate place in her speech; we will be generous with t...
Siobhan McMahon Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I apologise for breaking the system.A recurrent problem with Government strategies is the glaring contrast between the words on...
Linda Fabiani (East Kilbride) (SNP) SNP
I am aware of X and I am glad that Siobhan McMahon has raised her case. Does the member agree that sometimes the intention to help people does not work out? ...
Siobhan McMahon Lab
I could not agree more. Those problems will develop as we go forward in life, as challenges face us.Local authorities must view the provision of short breaks...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I am sorry about the interruption. I call Fiona McLeod, who will have a very tight six minutes. Others may have to reduce their speeches.15:50
Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
Last Friday, I was at the Carers Link East Dunbartonshire annual general meeting. In the past year, Carers Link East Dunbartonshire has identified and suppor...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
I would like to look at the issue in the context of the fact that my wife and I are now both carers for an extremely elderly relative. I acknowledge that our...
Margaret McCulloch (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome this opportunity to speak in the debate on the Government’s strategy for carers, especially as carers’ rights day will take place on Friday 2 Decem...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The member must conclude, please.
Margaret McCulloch Lab
—but they are all to be praised for the service that they give and the sacrifices that they make.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call George Adam, who has a maximum of six minutes.16:08
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer—I will try to be as succinct as possible in order to let other colleagues in. I see that members are laughing, but I promise tha...