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Meeting of the Parliament 06 October 2011

06 Oct 2011 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Heritage (Digital Technology)
We have all mentioned various projects in our areas. If the cabinet secretary had to put them all in a motion, she would probably need a digital archive of her own to hold them all.

The preservation of heritage is extremely important. In Paisley, we have the historic “Arbuthnott Missal”, which is a Catholic prayer service book that survived the reformation. It is the only one of its kind in existence. Many people have not been able to get access to it or see it because it is so precious and so old, but it is now available online. If the Presiding Officer will indulge me, I will read some information about it.

“The Missal, which is locked in a vault at Paisley Library, has only been seen by a handful of people in the past century because of the damage it could suffer through being handled and being exposed to artificial light. Now everyone can flick through its pages”.

However, the next part is a comment on the technology.

“Not quite everyone ... the Missal can only be seen in Internet Explorer using an additional ponderous Microsoft plug-in.”

There are clearly some problems with making things available digitally.

I attended last night’s event; the Scottish ten project brings many things alive again because it enables us to see history. One of the things I found fascinating is that a teacher can walk his or her class through the construction of Stirling castle, demonstrate how it was built and the materials that were used, then dismantle it again, all using the computer technology. In the long term, it could be a wonderful resource.

Fountain Gardens in Paisley has also been used in the project. It is one of the oldest parts of the town and it is named after a fountain in the gardens, ironically. It was used as the template to check the equipment. The old statue that has been there for some time was created by John Love, after whom, incidentally, Love Street is named. That is a place close to my heart because I used to go and see St Mirren play there. I do not think that the gentleman would have thought that, for years to come, people would be saying, “I’ll not be going to that Love Street in two weeks’ time, after that.” However, the friends of Fountain Gardens are looking at investment to improve the statue in the gardens.

For too long, our greatest landmarks have been left in disrepair. Another perfect example—I make no apologies for being parochial—is that we used to have a jail in the county buildings in Paisley, where there is now a 1960s and 1970s modernistic shopping centre. We are the only people with a river running through our town who actually built over it. That was the vision in the past. Alexander Stoddart, the great Paisley sculptor, told me that if we had the vision and the money he could take down that modernist piece of nonsense and rebuild the jail brick by brick. People always talk about these old buildings and the heritage of which they are an important part. With the right technology, we can go into Paisley schools and show pupils what was there in the past. The project is a wonderful step forward.

The ScotlandsPeople family history thing is quite good. I remember when Councillor Jim Mitchell way back in the 1990s decided that Elvis’s family had come from Paisley, and he and I had to go all the way to Edinburgh to research the project. I will not tell members what happened. It was quite a tenuous link. I do not think that he did come from Paisley, but Jim managed to bring the council meeting to a standstill as he serenaded the provost with some Elvis numbers in the five or 10 minutes he was given to speak for.

Willie Coffey is right. So many people are interested in shows such as “Who Do You Think You Are?” It is about tourism and bringing people into industrial towns, or post-industrial towns such as Paisley. Although those towns are not top of the list for people to visit, people want to see the mill that their great-great-granny worked in and hear about the mill lassies and their heritage. These things are important.

Paisley recently had the dubious honour of featuring in “Who Do You Think You Are?” because the Bee Gees come from the town. I apologise for that. It cannot all be good. We have Paolo Nutini and Gerry Rafferty to balance that. I also remember an episode with David Tennant. Like Clare Adamson, I am a bit of a sci-fi geek. I always found it strange that Doctor Who needed to use a TV show to investigate his past when he has a time machine, but nevertheless it was an interesting show. People want to go and see things from their past.

It is interesting that we can show people all over the world Paisley abbey and Paisley’s history. We can sell the town to people who are abroad, to encourage them to come back and see what is available. That goes for other places in Scotland, too; everyone can do it.

As with any nation, if we are to move forward it is important to understand who we are and where we came from—the good and the bad. It is our duty to ensure that we record everything that I talked about for future generations and encourage the hundreds of thousands of Scots who are scattered across the globe to investigate their heritage and come back to Scotland.

16:25

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-01023, in the name of Fiona Hyslop, on the digital future of Scotland’s heritage.15:25
The Cabinet Secretary for Culture and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
Scotland’s heritage is one of our greatest assets and it attracts many visitors from overseas. Scotland offers not only tremendous natural beauty but an incr...
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Does the cabinet secretary appreciate that, in my region of the Highlands and Islands, a great many people cannot access broadband properly? What can be done...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
One thing that can be done is to ensure that the United Kingdom Government invests. When I met Jeremy Hunt only a few weeks ago, we discussed the very point ...
Ruth Davidson (Glasgow) (Con) Con
The detailed spending plans show that the budget for Historic Scotland, which is doing a lot of the digital work to put archives on the internet, is being cu...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
No, it will not. The Labour Party’s amendment raises concerns about the spend in the area. I reassure members that Historic Scotland’s front-line services wi...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Does the cabinet secretary recognise the exciting work that the University of Dundee has done on its family history project in its digital archives and the d...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I am more than happy to recognise the University of Dundee and, indeed, all the partners. Scotland really is world leading. We think nothing of debating the ...
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I am afraid that I will need to make progress.From next year, digital access to 3 million images of the kirk session records will be made more widely availab...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) Lab
From the early years of photography on Calton hill in the 1840s and the establishment of the camera obscura in Edinburgh during the 1850s, we have been fasci...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
As the member will appreciate, given her colleague’s remarks about the University of Dundee, had we named every organisation, the motion would perhaps have r...
Patricia Ferguson Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary for that explanation. I hope that it means that the Government will be able to support our amendment.If we really want to celeb...
Ruth Davidson (Glasgow) (Con) Con
Scotland’s heritage does not speak just of our past; it speaks of who we are. From crannog to castle to computer, there is much in the cultural, antiquity, v...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I am equally enthusiastic about the site. Unfortunately, when I have had meetings with the UK Government, the Conservative minister John Penrose has indicate...
Ruth Davidson Con
As I have said for several minutes, I think that the site is a fantastic resource. I support ICH’s work and I support any investment and help that can be giv...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to contribute to this debate on the digital future of Scotland’s heritage. From my perspective, as a computer science graduate from the Univer...
Clare Adamson (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to speak in the debate. My experience is similar to Willie Coffey’s, in that I had a 20-year career in the IT industry prior to entering polit...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
A cynical observer, reading that we were to discuss the digital future of Scotland’s heritage, could easily dismiss our proceedings as dry, irrelevant or out...
Ruth Davidson Con
Does David Stewart acknowledge that some of us like dusty libraries and museums, that using a computer could direct more people to go and see things in the f...
David Stewart Lab
I am happy to share memories of dusty museums with the member.The scanning technology can also be used for mobile applications and remote access to inaccessi...
Jean Urquhart (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Like many others in the chamber, I welcome the debate. There has been a learning curve for a number of members. There has certainly been support for, as well...
Jean Urquhart SNP
I am nearly there.This is where our ambitions for the digital future of Scotland’s heritage may take some time to be realised. Although we have made the inve...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
I am afraid that you are going to have to finish now, please.
Jean Urquhart SNP
I will finish on an optimistic note. I applaud the work of all the agencies whose work is concerned with our living history. That work is sustaining our natu...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
We have all mentioned various projects in our areas. If the cabinet secretary had to put them all in a motion, she would probably need a digital archive of h...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is good to have the opportunity to speak in the debate and to acknowledge the work that Historic Scotland is doing in partnership with others through the...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
Mark Griffin might be aware that there was a conference recently on the frontiers of the Roman empire, which was attended by visitors from Germany and elsewh...
Mark Griffin Lab
I am sure that those people will have been members of the Croy Historical Society. They display massive passion for their local history and heritage and for ...
Bill Walker (Dunfermline) (SNP) SNP
Does Mark Griffin agree that the problems with broadband exist not only in the Highlands and that there are broadband problems in the central belt, due to th...