Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 23 February 2011
23 Feb 2011 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Energy Bill
I have pleasure in supporting the Government’s position this afternoon. Having heard the arguments in the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, I am glad that we have agreed that the LCM and the Energy Bill will not impinge on the powers that we have under the 2009 act, which is ours in Scotland and which gives us wide opportunities here.
As we discussed in the committee, the green deal can create many jobs: up to 10,000 jobs may be created in Scotland from the work that will ensue. We therefore have to give it some kind of fair wind.
As for higher fuel bills, the question of how far we can deal with the situation in Scotland is helped by the fact that our ministerial team has ensured that discussions on how the money will be allocated in due course have from an early stage involved our civil servants.
It is not unusual for the detail of such a large bill to be fleshed out in secondary legislation. After all, that happened with the Climate Change (Scotland) Bill, and it happens with practically every bill that is passed by the Scottish Parliament. I do not see what the problem is for Labour—other than the issue that I will deal with in a minute.
As we discussed in the committee, the green deal can create many jobs: up to 10,000 jobs may be created in Scotland from the work that will ensue. We therefore have to give it some kind of fair wind.
As for higher fuel bills, the question of how far we can deal with the situation in Scotland is helped by the fact that our ministerial team has ensured that discussions on how the money will be allocated in due course have from an early stage involved our civil servants.
It is not unusual for the detail of such a large bill to be fleshed out in secondary legislation. After all, that happened with the Climate Change (Scotland) Bill, and it happens with practically every bill that is passed by the Scottish Parliament. I do not see what the problem is for Labour—other than the issue that I will deal with in a minute.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-7945, in the name of Alex Neil, on the Energy Bill, which is proposed United Kingdom legislation.17:30
The Minister for Housing and Communities (Alex Neil)
SNP
This is a rather versatile day of business, Presiding Officer.I welcome today’s opportunity to highlight the benefits of the UK Energy Bill, in particular th...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green)
Green
Given the close involvement that the minister is suggesting the Scottish Government should have with the green deal and its implementation, can he set my min...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I must hurry you, Mr Harvie—we have little time.
Patrick Harvie
Green
What opportunity will this Parliament have to ensure that the new arrangements are more suitable for allowing additional action in Scotland than the previous...
Alex Neil
SNP
Mr Harvie should listen to what I have to say, as I am sure that I will be able to reassure him on all points.The stakeholder input and the views of the Econ...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab)
Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Alex Neil
SNP
I am sorry, but I do not have time.We note the UK Government’s proposals to introduce new powers to regulate private landlords, to ensure that private tenant...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
You must close now.
Alex Neil
SNP
I will cover the repeal of the Home Energy Conservation Act 1995 in my closing speech.
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I am sorry to hurry members, but there is no time available.
Alex Neil
SNP
I move,That the Parliament agrees that the relevant provisions of the Energy Bill introduced in the House of Lords on 8 December 2010 relating to the creatio...
Lewis Macdonald (Aberdeen Central) (Lab)
Lab
The policy objectives of increasing energy efficiency and reducing fuel poverty are widely shared. The issues that we consider today are whether the bill tha...
Gavin Brown (Lothians) (Con)
Con
I heard the evidence that was provided to the committee. We were also told about a specific provision for tenants, which is distinctive. Will the member comm...
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
The provisions include a responsibility on the tenant to request improvements—not on the landlord to offer them. Also, the powers on energy efficiency in the...
Gavin Brown (Lothians) (Con)
Con
I intend to focus my remarks on the issues on which the committee took evidence and on which there appeared to be some dispute, at least initially.The first ...
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
Does Gavin Brown accept that there is also a broad consensus on the need to replace HECA, rather than simply to repeal it, as is proposed?
Gavin Brown
Con
I accept that there is a broad consensus that we need to ensure that energy efficiency continues to be a focus for local authorities. Norman Kerr, who took a...
Liam McArthur (Orkney) (LD)
LD
I am a little puzzled. I certainly appreciate and share the desire to keep fuel poverty at the front of, and central to, political debate in Scotland. Likewi...
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
Will the member give way?
Liam McArthur
LD
I will let in Lewis Macdonald in a second.WWF makes sensible suggestions in its briefing regarding the development of EPCs and the energy company obligation,...
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
Does Mr McArthur have a view on why the bill has come forward at this stage, when it is apparent from everything that we have heard that many of the provisio...
Liam McArthur
LD
A framework has clearly been set, and the minister has addressed the issue of how Scottish interests will be represented through the continuing stages of the...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
You should close, Mr McArthur.
Liam McArthur
LD
On that basis, I will support the motion this afternoon.
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I am afraid that contributions must now be limited to three minutes.17:48
Rob Gibson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
SNP
I have pleasure in supporting the Government’s position this afternoon. Having heard the arguments in the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, I am glad th...
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
Will the member give way?
Rob Gibson
SNP
I am sorry—I do not have time.As far as HECA is concerned, the Government believes that we will increase the degree of effort that we make on energy efficien...
Sarah Boyack (Edinburgh Central) (Lab)
Lab
I have read the Official Reports of the evidence sessions and the submissions that were made to the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, and I agree comple...