Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 23 February 2011
23 Feb 2011 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Energy Bill
A framework has clearly been set, and the minister has addressed the issue of how Scottish interests will be represented through the continuing stages of the process, so I take reassurance from that.
WWF also states:
“The UK Energy Bill contains several provisions that could dramatically enhance domestic energy efficiency activity in Scotland”,
including the green deal and the ECO.
It seems clear that rather than closing off options for taking action as some have suggested, the bill and the motion do quite the reverse. It is my understanding that by agreeing to the motion today, the Parliament will enhance the suite of options that are available to Scottish ministers to act, as the minister reiterated a number of times in his speech.
At a time when we face high and spiralling fuel prices, the bill is a good thing in terms of its substance and the urgency that it shows on the part of ministers. At a time when budgets are tight and set to remain so for some time, an innovative financing mechanism that will allow domestic consumers and businesses to pay back the cost of energy efficiency improvements through their energy bills, thereby reducing or removing up-front costs, is surely worthy of welcome.
UK ministers have made clear that there will be additional help for lower-income and vulnerable households and hard-to-treat-properties, following on from the refocusing of the carbon emissions reduction target and the smaller and more targeted warm front programme. Again, I assume that Scottish and UK ministers and their officials will need to continue to work closely on the detail of that.
I am pleased that attention is being given to the private rented sector, in which, as I think we would all acknowledge, far more significant improvements in energy efficiency need to be achieved. Again, the detail will need to be thrashed out over the coming months. The suggestion that it may not be possible post-2015 to refuse any tenant who requests a green deal could well go some way towards triggering such an improvement.
Moreover, Chris Huhne confirmed to the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee that this Parliament’s Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009 could be used in relation to the private rented sector
“to prod the green deal into action.”—[Official Report, Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, 12 January 2011; c 4571.]
That is welcome, and is further proof of the complementary nature of the tools that are now at ministers’ disposal.
I am aware of the concerns that have been raised by environmental groups—and again this afternoon—regarding the repeal of HECA. However, a consultation in 2007 showed that two thirds of respondents agreed that HECA should be repealed because it was no longer useful as a driver to improve energy efficiency. Gavin Brown has reiterated some of the concerns that were expressed to the committee in that regard.
I entirely accept that there is a role for such a driver, and the green deal can go beyond what HECA was able to achieve; Norrie Kerr has offered some balanced and constructive proposals in that regard. Given the track record of some local authorities in that area, there is cause for reasonable optimism about how that might be made to work. It is also—
WWF also states:
“The UK Energy Bill contains several provisions that could dramatically enhance domestic energy efficiency activity in Scotland”,
including the green deal and the ECO.
It seems clear that rather than closing off options for taking action as some have suggested, the bill and the motion do quite the reverse. It is my understanding that by agreeing to the motion today, the Parliament will enhance the suite of options that are available to Scottish ministers to act, as the minister reiterated a number of times in his speech.
At a time when we face high and spiralling fuel prices, the bill is a good thing in terms of its substance and the urgency that it shows on the part of ministers. At a time when budgets are tight and set to remain so for some time, an innovative financing mechanism that will allow domestic consumers and businesses to pay back the cost of energy efficiency improvements through their energy bills, thereby reducing or removing up-front costs, is surely worthy of welcome.
UK ministers have made clear that there will be additional help for lower-income and vulnerable households and hard-to-treat-properties, following on from the refocusing of the carbon emissions reduction target and the smaller and more targeted warm front programme. Again, I assume that Scottish and UK ministers and their officials will need to continue to work closely on the detail of that.
I am pleased that attention is being given to the private rented sector, in which, as I think we would all acknowledge, far more significant improvements in energy efficiency need to be achieved. Again, the detail will need to be thrashed out over the coming months. The suggestion that it may not be possible post-2015 to refuse any tenant who requests a green deal could well go some way towards triggering such an improvement.
Moreover, Chris Huhne confirmed to the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee that this Parliament’s Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009 could be used in relation to the private rented sector
“to prod the green deal into action.”—[Official Report, Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, 12 January 2011; c 4571.]
That is welcome, and is further proof of the complementary nature of the tools that are now at ministers’ disposal.
I am aware of the concerns that have been raised by environmental groups—and again this afternoon—regarding the repeal of HECA. However, a consultation in 2007 showed that two thirds of respondents agreed that HECA should be repealed because it was no longer useful as a driver to improve energy efficiency. Gavin Brown has reiterated some of the concerns that were expressed to the committee in that regard.
I entirely accept that there is a role for such a driver, and the green deal can go beyond what HECA was able to achieve; Norrie Kerr has offered some balanced and constructive proposals in that regard. Given the track record of some local authorities in that area, there is cause for reasonable optimism about how that might be made to work. It is also—
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-7945, in the name of Alex Neil, on the Energy Bill, which is proposed United Kingdom legislation.17:30
The Minister for Housing and Communities (Alex Neil)
SNP
This is a rather versatile day of business, Presiding Officer.I welcome today’s opportunity to highlight the benefits of the UK Energy Bill, in particular th...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green)
Green
Given the close involvement that the minister is suggesting the Scottish Government should have with the green deal and its implementation, can he set my min...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I must hurry you, Mr Harvie—we have little time.
Patrick Harvie
Green
What opportunity will this Parliament have to ensure that the new arrangements are more suitable for allowing additional action in Scotland than the previous...
Alex Neil
SNP
Mr Harvie should listen to what I have to say, as I am sure that I will be able to reassure him on all points.The stakeholder input and the views of the Econ...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab)
Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Alex Neil
SNP
I am sorry, but I do not have time.We note the UK Government’s proposals to introduce new powers to regulate private landlords, to ensure that private tenant...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
You must close now.
Alex Neil
SNP
I will cover the repeal of the Home Energy Conservation Act 1995 in my closing speech.
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I am sorry to hurry members, but there is no time available.
Alex Neil
SNP
I move,That the Parliament agrees that the relevant provisions of the Energy Bill introduced in the House of Lords on 8 December 2010 relating to the creatio...
Lewis Macdonald (Aberdeen Central) (Lab)
Lab
The policy objectives of increasing energy efficiency and reducing fuel poverty are widely shared. The issues that we consider today are whether the bill tha...
Gavin Brown (Lothians) (Con)
Con
I heard the evidence that was provided to the committee. We were also told about a specific provision for tenants, which is distinctive. Will the member comm...
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
The provisions include a responsibility on the tenant to request improvements—not on the landlord to offer them. Also, the powers on energy efficiency in the...
Gavin Brown (Lothians) (Con)
Con
I intend to focus my remarks on the issues on which the committee took evidence and on which there appeared to be some dispute, at least initially.The first ...
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
Does Gavin Brown accept that there is also a broad consensus on the need to replace HECA, rather than simply to repeal it, as is proposed?
Gavin Brown
Con
I accept that there is a broad consensus that we need to ensure that energy efficiency continues to be a focus for local authorities. Norman Kerr, who took a...
Liam McArthur (Orkney) (LD)
LD
I am a little puzzled. I certainly appreciate and share the desire to keep fuel poverty at the front of, and central to, political debate in Scotland. Likewi...
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
Will the member give way?
Liam McArthur
LD
I will let in Lewis Macdonald in a second.WWF makes sensible suggestions in its briefing regarding the development of EPCs and the energy company obligation,...
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
Does Mr McArthur have a view on why the bill has come forward at this stage, when it is apparent from everything that we have heard that many of the provisio...
Liam McArthur
LD
A framework has clearly been set, and the minister has addressed the issue of how Scottish interests will be represented through the continuing stages of the...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
You should close, Mr McArthur.
Liam McArthur
LD
On that basis, I will support the motion this afternoon.
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I am afraid that contributions must now be limited to three minutes.17:48
Rob Gibson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
SNP
I have pleasure in supporting the Government’s position this afternoon. Having heard the arguments in the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, I am glad th...
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
Will the member give way?
Rob Gibson
SNP
I am sorry—I do not have time.As far as HECA is concerned, the Government believes that we will increase the degree of effort that we make on energy efficien...
Sarah Boyack (Edinburgh Central) (Lab)
Lab
I have read the Official Reports of the evidence sessions and the submissions that were made to the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, and I agree comple...