Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 23 February 2011
23 Feb 2011 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Migration and Trafficking
I welcome the Equal Opportunities Committee’s inquiry into migration and trafficking, and the opportunity to debate the committee’s report.
Issues that relate to migration in Scotland have at times been emotive and difficult, and this Parliament has had responsibilities to those who seek asylum in Scotland with regard to their welfare. I share the committee’s concerns about the UK Border Agency’s decision to terminate its contract with Glasgow City Council, and like others I worry about the impact on the families and individuals who will be affected.
More broadly, I am sure that many of us will be concerned about the direction of the UK Government’s approach to immigration. We can reflect on the quite different approach that we have taken here in recognising the positive benefits that can result from people coming to Scotland to live and work—an approach that is exemplified in the fresh talent initiative.
I will focus on two points, the first of which concerns employment and exploitative practices. We know that we have had problems in Scotland with the illegal activities of some gangmasters. Legislation has been pursued at Westminster to tackle the exploitation of migrant workers who are being paid a pittance and forced to live and work in dreadful circumstances, as Margaret Mitchell mentioned. However, more work must be done on enforcement, as the committee’s report identifies.
As Citizens Advice Scotland told the committee, a minority of employers are still actively undermining the law in this area. Too few migrant workers are made aware of their employment rights or the worker registration scheme, and the Scottish Government must address that situation.
The second point concerns trafficking and sexual exploitation. We must all be concerned that there are, today, victims of such abuses in our country. Like the committee and the Scottish Government, I am disappointed that the UK Government has decided not to opt into the European Union directive on trafficking, but we must focus on what we can achieve here.
There is rightly concern, as Jim Hume said, that while there have been 100 convictions for trafficking in England and Wales following operation pentameter, there has been none in Scotland.
Amnesty International, which produced the report “Scotland’s Slaves”, is right to argue that while we must acknowledge the Lord Advocate’s point—made in evidence to the committee—that there have been convictions in relation to lower-tariff crimes such as brothel keeping, there continue to be convictions for trafficking in addition to convictions for those lesser offences in England and Wales, and more must be done to understand the reasons for the disparity in conviction rates.
The committee has highlighted the concern that Scotland should not be seen as a soft touch for traffickers, and members on all sides of the chamber have rightly highlighted the need to address the issue, particularly as the 2014 Commonwealth games in Glasgow may unfortunately be a focus for traffickers.
As the committee identifies, the new measures on trafficking as a result of the Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2010 are welcome, but Parliament did not support the amendments that were lodged by Trish Godman and Marlyn Glen to criminalise the purchase of sex, or my own amendment, which was intended to criminalise the purchase of sex from those exploited by another for that purpose. I recognise that these are difficult issues, but the position under my amendment is the current law in England and Wales. There is a very real danger that the legal position in Scotland will be perceived as weaker, and indeed will be so. That will not help us to deter those who through their actions encourage traffickers, nor will it help us to hold to account those who are responsible for trafficking. I hope that Parliament will reflect on those issues again.
The committee’s report reflects the determination of members across the chamber to ensure that we have a better-informed debate about migration in Scotland; that those who have come to our country are treated with the respect they deserve and have their rights protected; and that we recognise the positive contribution that such people can make to our society. I congratulate the committee once again on its excellent report.
16:29
Issues that relate to migration in Scotland have at times been emotive and difficult, and this Parliament has had responsibilities to those who seek asylum in Scotland with regard to their welfare. I share the committee’s concerns about the UK Border Agency’s decision to terminate its contract with Glasgow City Council, and like others I worry about the impact on the families and individuals who will be affected.
More broadly, I am sure that many of us will be concerned about the direction of the UK Government’s approach to immigration. We can reflect on the quite different approach that we have taken here in recognising the positive benefits that can result from people coming to Scotland to live and work—an approach that is exemplified in the fresh talent initiative.
I will focus on two points, the first of which concerns employment and exploitative practices. We know that we have had problems in Scotland with the illegal activities of some gangmasters. Legislation has been pursued at Westminster to tackle the exploitation of migrant workers who are being paid a pittance and forced to live and work in dreadful circumstances, as Margaret Mitchell mentioned. However, more work must be done on enforcement, as the committee’s report identifies.
As Citizens Advice Scotland told the committee, a minority of employers are still actively undermining the law in this area. Too few migrant workers are made aware of their employment rights or the worker registration scheme, and the Scottish Government must address that situation.
The second point concerns trafficking and sexual exploitation. We must all be concerned that there are, today, victims of such abuses in our country. Like the committee and the Scottish Government, I am disappointed that the UK Government has decided not to opt into the European Union directive on trafficking, but we must focus on what we can achieve here.
There is rightly concern, as Jim Hume said, that while there have been 100 convictions for trafficking in England and Wales following operation pentameter, there has been none in Scotland.
Amnesty International, which produced the report “Scotland’s Slaves”, is right to argue that while we must acknowledge the Lord Advocate’s point—made in evidence to the committee—that there have been convictions in relation to lower-tariff crimes such as brothel keeping, there continue to be convictions for trafficking in addition to convictions for those lesser offences in England and Wales, and more must be done to understand the reasons for the disparity in conviction rates.
The committee has highlighted the concern that Scotland should not be seen as a soft touch for traffickers, and members on all sides of the chamber have rightly highlighted the need to address the issue, particularly as the 2014 Commonwealth games in Glasgow may unfortunately be a focus for traffickers.
As the committee identifies, the new measures on trafficking as a result of the Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2010 are welcome, but Parliament did not support the amendments that were lodged by Trish Godman and Marlyn Glen to criminalise the purchase of sex, or my own amendment, which was intended to criminalise the purchase of sex from those exploited by another for that purpose. I recognise that these are difficult issues, but the position under my amendment is the current law in England and Wales. There is a very real danger that the legal position in Scotland will be perceived as weaker, and indeed will be so. That will not help us to deter those who through their actions encourage traffickers, nor will it help us to hold to account those who are responsible for trafficking. I hope that Parliament will reflect on those issues again.
The committee’s report reflects the determination of members across the chamber to ensure that we have a better-informed debate about migration in Scotland; that those who have come to our country are treated with the respect they deserve and have their rights protected; and that we recognise the positive contribution that such people can make to our society. I congratulate the committee once again on its excellent report.
16:29
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Alasdair Morgan)
SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-7950, in the name of Margaret Mitchell, on the Equal Opportunities Committee’s report into migration and ...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con)
Con
I welcome today’s debate on the Equal Opportunities Committee’s migration and trafficking report. Our wide-ranging inquiry covered issues of both reserved an...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill)
SNP
I congratulate Margaret Mitchell and the Equal Opportunities Committee on securing the debate, which provides an opportunity to tackle important issues. I re...
Jim Hume (South of Scotland) (LD)
LD
In the ports of Cairnryan and Stranraer, the authorities have detected human trafficking for inhuman purposes, such as the sex trade. Why, therefore, were th...
Kenny MacAskill
SNP
The Crown and the police take those matters very seriously. As Jim Hume will be aware, the UKBA’s withdrawal has affected the situation. Dumfries and Gallowa...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
Is the Cabinet Secretary for Justice satisfied with the response from Damian Green, the Minister of State for Immigration? In particular, is he not satisfied...
Kenny MacAskill
SNP
The arrangements are a matter of continuing concern. I appreciate that they are being reviewed south of the border, but we believe that they are prejudicial....
Richard Baker (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome the Equal Opportunities Committee’s inquiry into migration and trafficking, and the opportunity to debate the committee’s report.Issues that relate...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
Some weeks ago, I spoke in the debate on the Equal Opportunities Committee’s excellent report on issues relating to the Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (S...
Hugh O’Donnell (Central Scotland) (LD)
LD
I associate myself with Mary Scanlon’s remarks about the length of the debate. Given that the report is one of the most substantial reports that the Equal Op...
Christina McKelvie (Central Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I know that the Scottish Refugee Council is an organisation that is close to both our hearts. Does the member share my concern that the SRC’s information and...
Hugh O’Donnell
LD
That point is well made and I share the member’s concern. In due course, individual members might consider communicating with George Osborne about that and a...
Christina McKelvie (Central Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
The inquiry by the Equal Opportunities Committee was very important and it will make an important contribution to public discourse about migration in Scotlan...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab)
Lab
Given the short time that we have for speeches, I will limit my remarks to the scourge of human trafficking, which is, according the UN Office on Drugs and C...
Stuart McMillan (West of Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I, too, express my thanks to the clerking team for their hard work and dedication throughout the inquiry. The committee ensured that a wide range of voices a...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab)
Lab
Early in 1948, a plane deporting migrant workers from the United States to Mexico crashed. In his song “Plane Wreck at Los Gatos”, Woody Guthrie displayed hi...
Christopher Harvie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
SNP
I, too, thank the Equal Opportunities Committee for its report and Margaret Mitchell for her lucid and liberal introduction.Having lived and worked as an eco...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow) (SNP)
SNP
I am pleased to take part in this debate on the Equal Opportunities Committee’s report on migration and trafficking because I was a member of the committee w...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD)
LD
I join others in thanking the Equal Opportunities Committee for its work on this matter. The report is substantial, has on-going aspirations and will be supp...
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
I am pleased to close this important debate for the Scottish Conservatives. Like other members, I pay tribute to the excellent work of my friend Margaret Mit...
James Kelly (Glasgow Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lab
Like other members, I congratulate the Equal Opportunities Committee, under the competent leadership of Margaret Mitchell, on looking into the issue. The rep...
The Minister for Housing and Communities (Alex Neil)
SNP
The debate has been interesting and helpful. The view in the chamber on migration and trafficking has been universal. Like everyone else, I commend the commi...
Marlyn Glen (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
It was over a year ago that the Equal Opportunities Committee decided to hold an inquiry into migration and trafficking. During the inquiry we heard from mor...