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Justice Committee 08 March 2011

08 Mar 2011 · S3 · Justice Committee
Item of business
Commissioner for Victims and Witnesses (Scotland) Bill
Stewart, David Lab Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV
I thank you very much for your kind introduction, convener, and I thank members of the committee for inviting me to speak in this legacy hearing.As members would expect, I am a touch disappointed that this will be the last hurrah for my bill, at least in this parliamentary session, but I stress that I understand that that is not the committee’s fault in any way. I hope that, post 5 May, more streamlined procedures will allow more members’ bills to be considered in the next session.The main objective of my bill is to promote and safeguard the interests of victims and witnesses and project them to the heart of the criminal justice system. The objective is to have a champion who ensures that the needs of victims and witnesses are met. Being pro-victim does not, of course, make me or anyone else anti-offender. I do not believe in any way that this is a zero-sum game.The champion must have a high profile and be very difficult to ignore, and they must ensure that the needs of victims and witnesses are centre stage. In a sense, I think that I have seen the future. I have met the victims champion for England and Wales, Sara Payne, on two occasions at Westminster over the past couple of years, and I have met Louise Casey, who is the Commissioner for Victims and Witnesses for England and Wales, in the Ministry of Justice. I have also taken part in a videoconference with one of the four victims commissioners for Northern Ireland.My motivation has two important elements. First, I have been inspired by the valuable work that Victim Support Scotland and other voluntary organisations such as Scottish Women’s Aid conduct throughout Scotland to support victims and witnesses. Indeed, it was Victim Support Scotland’s manifesto commitment in 2007 to have a victims commissioner that inspired me to take the bill forward. There is also my experience in the voluntary sector, where I worked as an assistant director for a national charity for two years.Secondly, I have been greatly affected by the experiences of constituents who have been forced into the criminal justice system through no fault of their own and have been left hurt, confused and angry. I will give one example. I recently saw a young woman constituent who had, with her daughter, been awakened in the middle of the night by the noise of petrol being poured through their letterbox. They escaped the inferno that the house became purely because neighbours found a ladder outside, and they were able to escape as the house literally went up in flames around them. They thought that the court was another ordeal—another cycle in their sense of humiliation—and that they were bit players in a drama in which they had no script.It is true that the situation of victims and witnesses in Scotland has greatly improved as a result of a range of initiatives such as the victims strategy, the use of victim statements and the victim notification scheme. I recognise that, but the point is that, although improvements have been made, a great deal more needs to be done. A number of important and effective voluntary organisations work in the interests of victims and witnesses, but there is no one co-ordinating voice, and no one has the statutory power to examine failures. The gap is between victims and victims organisations, and the Government.Can we say that every relevant authority is meeting the requirements of the existing legislation to protect victims and witnesses and that there is a good balance of power between those who work in the interests of victims and witnesses, and the criminal justice system? A commissioner would enhance the work of existing organisations and would take things a step further to ensure that the needs of victims and witnesses cannot be ignored or be simply an afterthought. They should be central to the justice system.I mentioned the Commissioner for Victims and Witnesses for England and Wales, Louise Casey. In giving evidence to the House of Commons Justice Select Committee in November last year, she said that her role as victims commissioner was“to challenge the whole of the Criminal Justice System to do right by victims and witnesses.”That is the intention of my bill.The commissioner would be responsible for championing the rights of victims and raising awareness of their situation, and, of course, they would work with voluntary organisations, politicians, the police, the criminal justice system and civil servants to build a fairer and just system that puts victims’ needs first. It is important that victims and witnesses are protected from uncaring bureaucracy that is often unintentionally hurtful and damaging at a time of great suffering. The convener, as a lawyer, will know well that witnesses suffer trauma, too. Some 40 per cent of witnesses are victims, and many offenders are victims as well, of course, but, alas, time does not allow me to explore that matter in detail.The bill includes a range of functions that would give the commissioner the flexibility to consult victims and witnesses and the organisations that work with them, so as to prioritise areas of work. Furthermore, I believe that the role of the commissioner would be developed greatly by the appointee.It is not for me to identify all the priority areas at the outset—the commissioner should decide what is most important. However, the bill would allow the commissioner to carry out a range of activity and to respond to current challenges.My commitment to the bill has led me to introduce it at a time of great financial pressures for all public services. I recognise the current financial climate, but I believe that the appointment of the commissioner is an important one that can be secured in a cost-effective way. I have set out a structure that I think would minimise costs. There might even be scope to reduce the costs further if the commissioner had the opportunity to share premises and resources with an existing commission or commissioner.I recognise recent legislative developments, and I have drafted the bill in line with the latest governance and accountability requirements for commissions and commissioners.I have introduced the Commissioner for Victims and Witnesses (Scotland) Bill because it is essential that Scotland has an independent commissioner to champion the rights of victims and witnesses. The role of the commissioner is not to run services; it is not to duplicate the work of the third sector; and it is not to be a competitor for funding. The proposed role is that of an independent champion, operating between victims, service providers and the Government, working outside but looking in. The commissioner is to be a voice; the role will provide a new road map for victims, reflecting the new European rights as covered by the Stockholm programme. It is a move to a system change so that, in Louise Casey’s words, victims will no longer be“the poor relation of the criminal justice system”.

In the same item of business

The Convener Con
Item 2 is an evidence session on the Commissioner for Victims and Witnesses (Scotland) Bill.The Commissioner for Victims and Witnesses (Scotland) Bill was in...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I thank you very much for your kind introduction, convener, and I thank members of the committee for inviting me to speak in this legacy hearing.As members w...
The Convener Con
Thank you for that helpful opening statement. I commend you for your efforts in getting the bill as far as you have done.
Bill Butler (Glasgow Anniesland) (Lab) Lab
Good morning, Mr Stewart. Thank you for coming to speak with us this morning. You have ably summarised for the committee some of the issues that led you to i...
David Stewart Lab
I will deal with the last question first. If re-elected, I am committed to reintroducing the bill. I understand that, if the content does not change substant...
Bill Butler Lab
Thank you—that is clear.
Dave Thompson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Good morning, Mr Stewart, and congratulations on taking the bill as far as you have. It is unfortunate that we have run out of time and that we were not able...
David Stewart Lab
Following my experience in dealing with Louise Casey and Sara Payne, I think that the key point is to have an independent champion, whose work does not dupli...
Dave Thompson SNP
You mention the commissioner having a small staff. Do you have any views about how small or how large the staff complement would be in the commissioner’s off...
David Stewart Lab
We carefully considered the financial resolution, under which we are required to identify staff and costings. It is a difficult matter. There is a market rat...
Stewart Maxwell (West of Scotland) (SNP) SNP
When you were answering questions from Mr Thompson, you said that the commissioner would be a champion for victims and witnesses. That is laudable, and we wo...
David Stewart Lab
You have probably identified six key functions, both from the bill and from my opening remarks, and I ensured that there was no real overlap or duplication b...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
I certainly agree that the situation is not perfect. Yesterday, I had a meeting with Victim Support Scotland in Renfrewshire, so I understand some of the com...
David Stewart Lab
I stress that the proposal is not something that I have just dreamed up. The key point is that the proposal came from Victim Support Scotland’s manifesto, an...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab) Lab
Various organisations already provide dedicated services and support for victims and witnesses in Scotland. Indeed, in your opening statement, you said that ...
David Stewart Lab
No. Clearly, we are never going to have a perfect system of criminal justice. I live in the real world and I understand that. The key point is that the model...
Cathie Craigie Lab
Some constituents of mine who have been victims of crime have expressed concern about the fact that someone who has been found guilty of the offence has serv...
David Stewart Lab
Most definitely. That is a good example of the kind of thing that the commissioner would be involved in, and concerns the creation of best practice. Constitu...
James Kelly (Glasgow Rutherglen) (Lab) Lab
You mentioned the support that a victims commissioner could give to rape victims. Are there any other areas that are not currently being addressed by those w...
David Stewart Lab
Most definitely. Members will have seen the Victim Support Scotland manifesto, which has a series of well-argued points. A couple of issues in particular mus...
James Kelly Lab
You said that you had had discussions with Louise Casey, the commissioner in England and Wales, and one of the commissioners in Northern Ireland. What lesson...
David Stewart Lab
The discussions have reinforced my impression that there is a need for Scotland to have a commissioner. Although devolution means that we can do things diffe...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
I want to follow up on the issue of duplication that Cathie Craigie raised and which I touched on earlier.I have read Victim Support Scotland’s manifesto, an...
David Stewart Lab
I stress that the commissioner is a policy idea of Victim Support Scotland, which believes that it is a good idea. No existing body has the exclusive or all-...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
Under your bill, would the commissioner have the power to investigate individual cases?
David Stewart Lab
No. The reason for that is that I am keeping an eye on resources. If unlimited funds were available, that would be a good idea. Instead, the commissioner wou...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
There would be a general investigation if a system failure was identified or came to the fore.
David Stewart Lab
Yes. Obviously, I expect the commissioner, which would be a high-powered post, to use their common sense and judgment. If they had a series of cases with a c...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
Apart from the power to require witnesses to appear and the reporting to Parliament, could a slightly beefed up Victim Support Scotland not conduct or commis...
David Stewart Lab
To conclude on your question about investigation, which is where we started, the key power that no other body has would be the power to investigate complaint...