Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 03 March 2011
03 Mar 2011 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Damages (Scotland) Bill
When someone is killed or dies as a result of an industrial accident or illness or in the short and fairly traumatic circumstances of a road traffic accident, and where there is negligence and liability, the settlement should be achieved firmly, fairly and expeditiously.
Bill Butler is right to say that the law is in need of clarity. It has become diluted over the years and is not as clear as it should be, and, as we know, some of the case law is confusing. It was perfectly appropriate for the Scottish Law Commission to begin a study of how matters were to be changed, and it was entirely appropriate that Bill Butler, with his customary commitment and energy, picked up the bill from the SLC and put it through the parliamentary process. The way in which that was done was an exemplar. Sometimes this Parliament behaves as it should, and the willingness on the part of the Government, the various parties and Bill Butler to compromise to get a result for those who have been bereaved in the most difficult circumstances reflects very well on all concerned, and all are worthy of congratulations.
There were issues that caused some concern. The first was the question of the 25 per cent deduction in respect of the deceased person’s personal outtake from the family budget. When someone dies, whether after a long illness or very suddenly, as in a road traffic or industrial accident, the last thing the family needs to do is carry out a tawdry accounting exercise, going through the household budgets and expenditure.
The 25 per cent figure seems to be pretty accurate. There will be occasions—very few in number, I suspect—on which that might not be the case. However, the rather subtle wording that has been agreed, which states that we should avoid
“a manifestly and materially unfair result”,
will to my mind, once it has been interpreted—very robustly, I hope—by the court, prevent defenders from seeking to procrastinate and delay the payments for those who seek them at a very difficult time in their lives.
Many of us have been, like Bill Butler, strongly influenced by our experience in dealing with the sufferers of mesothelioma. As I have said in debates in the chamber before, the industrial heritage of the west of Scotland and Glasgow in particular has left us with a tremendous cost. The vast majority of the cases in which people will benefit from this legislation will concern the families of mesothelioma sufferers.
We recognise that nothing can ever restore a relative to their family, but we can seek a fair and humane approach to dealing with the claims that arise. I am convinced that the bill that is before us, which I suspect will go through at decision time with acclamation, goes down that route. The Parliament should be grateful to Bill Butler for bringing the bill to the chamber, and I very much hope that when it is voted on at 5 o’clock, it will deservedly receive the support of every member in the chamber.
15:19
Bill Butler is right to say that the law is in need of clarity. It has become diluted over the years and is not as clear as it should be, and, as we know, some of the case law is confusing. It was perfectly appropriate for the Scottish Law Commission to begin a study of how matters were to be changed, and it was entirely appropriate that Bill Butler, with his customary commitment and energy, picked up the bill from the SLC and put it through the parliamentary process. The way in which that was done was an exemplar. Sometimes this Parliament behaves as it should, and the willingness on the part of the Government, the various parties and Bill Butler to compromise to get a result for those who have been bereaved in the most difficult circumstances reflects very well on all concerned, and all are worthy of congratulations.
There were issues that caused some concern. The first was the question of the 25 per cent deduction in respect of the deceased person’s personal outtake from the family budget. When someone dies, whether after a long illness or very suddenly, as in a road traffic or industrial accident, the last thing the family needs to do is carry out a tawdry accounting exercise, going through the household budgets and expenditure.
The 25 per cent figure seems to be pretty accurate. There will be occasions—very few in number, I suspect—on which that might not be the case. However, the rather subtle wording that has been agreed, which states that we should avoid
“a manifestly and materially unfair result”,
will to my mind, once it has been interpreted—very robustly, I hope—by the court, prevent defenders from seeking to procrastinate and delay the payments for those who seek them at a very difficult time in their lives.
Many of us have been, like Bill Butler, strongly influenced by our experience in dealing with the sufferers of mesothelioma. As I have said in debates in the chamber before, the industrial heritage of the west of Scotland and Glasgow in particular has left us with a tremendous cost. The vast majority of the cases in which people will benefit from this legislation will concern the families of mesothelioma sufferers.
We recognise that nothing can ever restore a relative to their family, but we can seek a fair and humane approach to dealing with the claims that arise. I am convinced that the bill that is before us, which I suspect will go through at decision time with acclamation, goes down that route. The Parliament should be grateful to Bill Butler for bringing the bill to the chamber, and I very much hope that when it is voted on at 5 o’clock, it will deservedly receive the support of every member in the chamber.
15:19
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Alasdair Morgan)
SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-8028, in the name of Bill Butler, on the Damages (Scotland) Bill. I call the Cabinet Secretary for Justic...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill)
SNP
For the purposes of rule 9.11 of the standing orders, I advise the Parliament that Her Majesty, having been informed of the purport of the Damages (Scotland)...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
SNP
Thank you, cabinet secretary. I call Bill Butler to speak to and move the motion.14:59
Bill Butler (Glasgow Anniesland) (Lab)
Lab
I rise to speak to the motion in my name that the Damages (Scotland) Bill be passed.The bill, which was introduced on 1 June 2010, has the clear purpose of i...
The Minister for Community Safety (Fergus Ewing)
SNP
I begin by belatedly responding to Robert Brown’s earlier point by advising him that, under section 17, nothing affects proceedings that are commenced before...
Richard Baker (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I begin by paying tribute to Bill Butler for bringing the bill before the Parliament. Without his intervention, the bill, following the excellent work by the...
Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con)
Con
When someone is killed or dies as a result of an industrial accident or illness or in the short and fairly traumatic circumstances of a road traffic accident...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD)
LD
When I was in professional practice, I dealt with cases of this type across the board, including injury cases and some death cases. We must remember, as Bill...
Stuart McMillan (West of Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I am content with the Parliament’s scrutiny of the bill, on which the committee has done a tremendous job. I commend Bill Butler for his work on bringing the...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab)
Lab
Like others, I congratulate my neighbour Bill Butler on his outstanding work in introducing the bill. Like me, he has a very strong interest in asbestos issu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman)
Lab
We move to the wind-up speeches. You have a very tight four minutes, Mr Pringle.15:27
Mike Pringle (Edinburgh South) (LD)
LD
I join everyone else in congratulating Bill Butler on all the hard work that he has done on the bill. Anyone who has put forward a proposal for a member’s bi...
John Lamont (Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Con
Like other members, I begin by stating that we should congratulate Bill Butler on his hard work and commitment and on bringing the bill to its final stages t...
James Kelly (Glasgow Rutherglen) (Lab)
Lab
Like others, I would like to congratulate Bill Butler on bringing this bill through to stage 3. I am sure that it will be passed at 5 o’clock. Bill has shown...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
I believe that in its approach to the bill this Parliament has done itself what Donald Dewar might have described as a modicum of credit. In a cross-party sh...
Bill Butler
Lab
This has been a good debate on an important area of the law of Scotland. The bill’s objective, as Mr Ewing succinctly put it in the stage 1 debate,“is about ...