Committee
Public Petitions Committee 08 March 2011
08 Mar 2011 · S3 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
Current Petitions
Magazines and Newspapers (Display of Sexually Graphic Material) (PE1169)
David Primrose (George Street Research)
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Certainly, convener. To put the research into a bit of context, the industry’s guidelines for the display of publications that are referred to as lads mags are: that they should not be displayed “at children’s eye-level or below, to ensure that they are not in the direct sight and reach of children”;that they should not be displayed adjacent to the display of children’s titles and comics; and,“Where display space restraints preclude the above, that titles with front covers that may cause concern are part-overlapped with other titles”.We did 152 mystery shops and spoke to 60 retailers by telephone. We discovered that every store displayed lads mags and that the majority of the displays—76 per cent—were wall displays, so, in theory, there is scope for the retailers to display them quite high up in three quarters of instances. In the majority of the stores, the magazines were laid out horizontally, so they were displayed at a set level.The guidelines—and, indeed, the petition—use the term “children’s eye-level”, but we asked at what height the lads mags were actually displayed. About 16 per cent of them were displayed at less than 1m high and 49 per cent, which is nearly half, were displayed at 1.5m high. I have brought along a tape measure to demonstrate exactly what that means. We have 16 per cent displayed at around my waist height and 49 per cent displayed at 1.5m, which is around my shoulder height. Therefore, 65 per cent of the magazines that are on display are displayed at or below 1.5m.The guidelines say that if the magazines are not in displays, they should be overlapped. The major supermarkets and the franchise-type confectionery, tobacconist and newsagent stores are most likely to do that. However, it was interesting to note that there was no attempt to overlap them in any of the forecourt retailers—the petrol stations—that we examined and, indeed, they were all relatively low down.The retailers for the majority—69 per cent—of the lads mags that were observed at or below 1.5m had made no attempt to hide the front covers, which were clearly visible.It may be that some of the guidelines that use the term “children’s eye-level” are not specific enough. We did a couple of in-depth interviews with some major retailers and got sight of some of their in-house guidelines, which talk about 1.2m as a minimum display height. However, it is in the eye of the beholder whether a height other than 1.2m is children’s eye level, and it depends what age of child we are talking about.As I said, we spoke to 60 retailers as part of the project. Most of them—80 per cent—said that they were aware that there were guidelines on how magazines should be displayed and three quarters of them said that they were aware of the guidelines that should apply to lads mags. A fair number of them had written policies on the matter, although independent retailers—newsagents, really—were less likely to have a policy. The majority of the people we spoke to said, “Yes, we’re aware of the guidelines. No, there’s no problem with complying with them—it’s relatively easy for us to do so.” So there is an apparent disconnect in what we are finding.We have looked at measurable heights. It is a matter of opinion what a child’s eye level is, but we have evidence of what we have seen out there. Set against that, there are the retailers’ guidelines and their belief that they are, in the main, doing the right thing and sticking to the guidelines. Therefore, our conclusion from the mystery shoppers and the interviews with retailers is that a lot of magazines are being displayed at heights of between 1m and 1.5m, in full view, with no attempt being made to cover them up. However, most of the retailers in whose premises that is happening believe—or at least say that they believe—that they are complying with the guidelines.
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The Convener
Lab
On petition PE1169, I welcome David Primrose, director of George Street Research, to the table along with Graham Ross from the Scottish Parliament informatio...
David Primrose (George Street Research)
Certainly, convener. To put the research into a bit of context, the industry’s guidelines for the display of publications that are referred to as lads mags a...
The Convener
Lab
Okay. Thanks very much. I invite questions from committee members.
Robin Harper
Green
I am afraid that I am displaying a degree of ignorance. Is there no definition in the guidelines about what a child’s height is? Has that deliberately been l...
David Primrose
Well, those are your words—saying that it has deliberately been left out.
Robin Harper
Green
Sorry—I should not have phrased my question in that way.
David Primrose
There are no specific heights in the industry’s guidelines. As I say, we spoke to some of the major retailers and saw their internal guidelines, which they w...
Robin Harper
Green
That is well within the sight lines of most children who would be walking around with their parents in a shop.
Cathie Craigie
Lab
Thank you for talking us through your research findings. The petition raises the point that the magazines should be screen-sleeved before they are put on the...
David Primrose
The magazines are not bagged, but we observed that some of the major supermarkets have started to put them into plastic containers that have just the names o...
Cathie Craigie
Lab
They had complained about them being in sleeves.
David Primrose
No, they had complained about them being within sight. Some retailers appear to have responded to concerns, but they have also said that not many people are ...
Anne McLaughlin
SNP
I know that the survey that we asked you to undertake was limited, but we wanted to establish whether there is a problem out there—and there clearly is. I am...
David Primrose
Yes. That is a feature of the forecourt retailers. I am sure that you know the type of unit if you regularly drive along the M8 and pop into Harthill service...
Anne McLaughlin
SNP
In your demonstration with a tape measure, at the first height level that you demonstrated it was almost as if the magazine placement was aimed at children, ...
David Primrose
I had to do a bit of explaining in the office about why such magazines were on my desk.
The Convener
Lab
You said that some of the bigger retailers place their magazines in boxes. Is that because they have a tighter code of conduct than smaller retailers?
David Primrose
I cannot say, because I did not speak to individual representatives from the major supermarkets. The major supermarkets said that they have written policies ...
The Convener
Lab
It might be interesting to find out what is in them. The committee can perhaps look into that.
Nigel Don
SNP
I think that I know the answer to this one, but I would like to ask Mr Primrose the question while he is here. The survey is based on a relatively small samp...
David Primrose
In any market research survey there is an element of sampling error. In a survey of this size, with 152 mystery shops, the sampling error is quite large, by ...
Nigel Don
SNP
It is consistent with what some of us see. My colleague Anne McLaughlin may be blind to those things, but some of us are genetically predisposed to perhaps b...
The Convener
Lab
I shall not comment on that.As there are no more questions, I thank David Primrose and ask committee members for their views on where we go with the petition.
Robin Harper
Green
We should continue the petition and include it in our legacy paper.
The Convener
Lab
It is proposed that we include the petition in our legacy paper. Do we want to suggest what actions might be taken?
John Wilson
SNP
We could forward a copy of the research report to the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and ask what action the Scottish Government will take as a result of the ...
The Convener
Lab
Thank you. So it is agreed that the petition will be included in the legacy paper. I presume that the committee would have no problems with publishing the re...
The Convener
Lab
I thank David Primrose for his attendance.