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Justice Committee 08 February 2011

08 Feb 2011 · S3 · Justice Committee
Item of business
Long Leases (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Dale Strachan (Brodies LLP) Watch on SPTV
I am happy to do so.I am a commercial property lawyer. The bill has ambitions to scope matters relating to residential leases and other forms of lease other than commercial property leases. I will confine my comments to commercial properties, if I may, as I have experience in that area.The issues that are raised are extremely interesting, and it is intriguing to see how they have been approached. The background is that the structuring of investment leases was uncontrolled in all substantive respects until the restriction on lease terms that was introduced in 2000. Before then, the beauty of commercial leases in Scotland was that they were largely treated as contracts and were enforceable as such. Parties were therefore free to make such contractual arrangements as they chose.Although this is about the law of property, it is truly also about the law of finance. The financing of new structures that have substantially contributed to the reconstruction of the United Kingdom in the past 50 years has involved the need for the certainty of returns and outcomes that financiers expect when they invest in property. I am really talking about larger-scale urban developments for which variable rentals come into play. There was, in effect, a clean sheet of paper to negotiate the deal that the parties wanted when the reconstruction of city centres with shopping centres and the like was being considered. Like any party, they all came with their own commercial requirements. Perhaps in the heyday of those structures, the local authorities tended to control the land in the city centre that was available for redevelopment, although private parties also did so, and they would have their own reasons for structuring a lease in the way that they wished. They may not have wished to receive full capital receipts in one year; they may have wished to spread the income receipts. I believe that that approach has implications for local authority financing, but taking it was open to them through the leasehold mechanism. The leasehold mechanism in Scotland is delightful because it is so flexible. Unlike some of its counterparts elsewhere in the UK, it is a very flexible vehicle for structuring deals.No two deals are the same, which may be frustrating. Two straightforward sales are very much like each other, but two leases are rarely like each other. I have experience of many different structures for long leases, and will give an example of the sort that members are addressing. Leases in which the rental receipts from occupational tenants are shared through a hierarchy of leasing structures are not at all uncommon. There may be only one head lease or there may be more, and financing leases may be interposed. They have been normal, and they exist in a number of places. I have not carried out any form of audit of all the leases in Scotland, but others may have done, in so far as that is possible.

In the same item of business

The Convener Con
The principal business of the morning is the final day of evidence taking on the Long Leases (Scotland) Bill. I welcome the first panel of witnesses, who are...
Bill Butler (Glasgow Anniesland) (Lab) Lab
Good morning to the panel.In your written submission to the committee, you express concern that the exemption in section 1(4)(a) of the bill, which relates t...
Dale Strachan (Brodies LLP)
I am happy to do so.I am a commercial property lawyer. The bill has ambitions to scope matters relating to residential leases and other forms of lease other ...
Bill Butler Lab
We are grateful to you for taking us through the delights, as you put it, of the leasehold mechanism in Scotland. However, could you perhaps address the poin...
Dale Strachan
Through the mechanism as drafted, limits have been chosen for reasons that have been explained. The variable element of the lease can often be the substantiv...
Bill Butler Lab
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the provisions in the bill as introduced are inflexible, lack certainty and could be viewed as being unfai...
Dale Strachan
It might discourage future investment in commercial property by serious investors.
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD) LD
Let us develop some of that background. You have given an expostulation of the advantages of the commercial lease arrangement. I find it difficult to see tha...
Dale Strachan
That probably owes something to the creative ability of lawyers to produce a commercial solution that achieves clients’ objectives. It was not in any way an ...
Robert Brown LD
People might suggest that ultra-long leases are sometimes entered into for tax advantages, given the way in which they are structured. There is an argument t...
Dale Strachan
In truth, I cannot think of strong reasons why that would be a driver, other than that investors look for certainty in their long-term investments. We mentio...
Robert Brown LD
Accepting the argument that there may be technical issues with the compensation arrangements, would you, in an ideal world, prefer the existing ultra-long le...
Dale Strachan
It is my submission that parties who made commercial arrangements in a free environment should not have them unwound against their will. Parliament has made ...
James Kelly (Glasgow Rutherglen) (Lab) Lab
The City of Edinburgh Council, supported by Glasgow City Council, pointed out in evidence to the committee that leases in which a large grassum is paid with ...
Dale Strachan
There is a distinction to be made between situations in which the vendor was a local authority and, possibly, subject to common good restraint and those in w...
Dave Thompson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Good morning to you both.Professor Rennie said in oral evidence to the committee that it would be “crazy” to set the rent exemption level as low as £100, and...
Dale Strachan
That is extremely difficult. I am not a property valuer, but I fully accept that if the intent is—as I understand it from the policy memorandum—not to captur...
Dave Thompson SNP
Thank you for that. We heard from Professor Gretton, who does not support the exemption in principle, that an alternative approach might be to extend the qua...
Dale Strachan
I am glad that you asked me that; I read Professor Gretton’s evidence with interest. The history of property development in Scotland is an interesting pointe...
Dave Thompson SNP
Would you be concerned that moving to 225 years as opposed to 175 years would lead to a lack of consistency with the requirements in the Abolition of Feudal ...
Dale Strachan
Consistency has its merits, but so does pragmatism. We are dealing with a period of about 50 years in which all the town centres in Scotland have been redeve...
The Convener Con
Are there any other questions for Mr Strachan? I see that Nigel Don wants to come in.
Nigel Don (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Good morning. Have you read the discussion in the Official Report on leases for underground pipelines and the like? I hope that you have followed that debate...
Catherine Reilly (Brodies LLP)
One of the witnesses thought that they were not leased—is that right?
Nigel Don SNP
Yes.
Catherine Reilly
Others said that they were. We are talking about the leases for the pipes and cables.
Nigel Don SNP
The certainty is that there are pipes and cables down there; the uncertainty is whether leases exist.
Catherine Reilly
I know that there are leases because I have been involved in that kind of thing. In Scotland, in the law of servitudes, for there to be a benefited property ...
Nigel Don SNP
Are you confident that such a lease is a meaningful, legal entity in Scots law?
Catherine Reilly
Yes, and I have taken an opinion on that from another academic. Because of the importance of bringing oil in from the North Sea, it is not something to be do...