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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 10 March 2011

10 Mar 2011 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Local Services
Craigie, Cathie Lab Cumbernauld and Kilsyth Watch on SPTV
No, I do not agree with that at all. People are far too professional to allow that to happen. The police have to respond to the needs of a community.

Somebody mentioned Parkhead earlier, and I think that it was Jeremy Purvis who mentioned old firm games. Of course policing is required when there are tens of thousands of people gathering—more than are needed in a small town or village. Those are professional decisions, taken by professionals.

The proposal for a national fire and rescue service has wide support. The people who do the job know that it can be done better and more cost effectively if resources are targeted to the front line, not to bureaucracy.

I will move on to Labour’s proposals for a national care service. Jackie Baillie explained our position on this very well. I am proud to be a member of the party that established the national health service and the wider welfare state in the aftermath of the second world war. In times of hardship, particularly economic hardship, it is important that politicians step up to the plate and make decisions that will benefit the lives of the people who elected us to serve. The national care service will provide a consistent approach to caring for our elderly population. I am sure that I am no different from other members, who will have heard stories of terrible cases where an elderly person has spent a period of time in hospital; they and their family may have tried hard to get a care package set up, for instance, but have ended up feeling that they have been thrown from pillar to post, between the local council and the national health service, with no one taking responsibility for the package of care that is needed.

About a year and a half ago, I had a meeting in a constituent’s living room. There were 12 professionals there, some representing the NHS and some representing the local council. It took those 12 people to try and set up a care package to meet the complex needs of the individual concerned—and that was after months during which my constituent had been trying to get things organised herself. Surely that is not right. As Jackie Baillie pointed out, there is duplication, with people seemingly doing the same job. Instead, we could bring it all together and have the job done better with one organisation taking responsibility. I think that we could do that under a national care service. Budgets are tight, and we have to consider ways to spend money wisely.

Presiding Officer, I am just waiting for you to intervene to tell me that it is time that I was sitting down. I will pre-empt you and come to my conclusion.

The Liberal Democrats are against a single police force, which would improve efficiency. They are against a national care service for Scotland, which would benefit the elderly and the vulnerable in our community. They are against a national fire and rescue service, which would direct money right to the front line, rather than to the bureaucrats behind their desks. They are against moving and changing with the times. They have come to the chamber today to slam the proposals that others have put forward, but they do not have any proposals themselves. As I said earlier, they have a face for every door, but they do not have the policy detail. It is farcical.

The Liberal Democrats have sold their souls to the Tories, and the SNP has spent four years promising so much and delivering so little. Neither of those parties can be surprised if they never again gain the support of the people of Scotland.

10:49

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The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson) NPA
Good morning. The first item of business is a Scottish Liberal Democrat Party debate on local services.09:15
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The Minister for Community Safety (Fergus Ewing) SNP
Will Mr Brown give way?
Robert Brown LD
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Fergus Ewing SNP
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Robert Brown LD
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Dave Thompson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Robert Brown LD
I am happy to give way to Dave Thompson, so that he can explain his position on the matter.
Dave Thompson SNP
I thank the member. Does he accept that a consultation is going on? Has he read the consultation paper? Does he expect to contribute to the consultation?
Robert Brown LD
I think that Alison McInnes dealt satisfactorily with the matter in last Thursday’s debate, when she said:“the proposals for a national police force have no ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
You can have five more minutes, Mr Brown.
Robert Brown LD
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George Foulkes (Lothians) (Lab) Lab
Will Robert Brown take an intervention?
Robert Brown LD
Yes, all right.
George Foulkes Lab
Robert Brown is talking about the elderly. Does he support the policy announced by Tavish Scott to cut concessionary fares for the elderly?
Robert Brown LD
Sorry, I did not catch that. Cuts to what?
George Foulkes Lab
At the recent party conference, Robert Brown’s party leader said that the Liberal Democrats planned to cut concessionary fares for the elderly.
Robert Brown LD
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The Minister for Public Health and Sport (Shona Robison) SNP
Will the member give way on that point?
Robert Brown LD
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The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill) SNP
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Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD) LD
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Kenny MacAskill SNP
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Robert Brown LD
Will the cabinet secretary explain to the Parliament why the consultation follows evidence gathering by the officers he mentioned rather than precedes it, wh...
Kenny MacAskill SNP
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Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
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Kenny MacAskill SNP
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Jim Tolson (Dunfermline West) (LD) LD
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