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Meeting of the Parliament 08 December 2010

08 Dec 2010 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Property Factors (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
This has been an excellent debate in which all members have made quite heartfelt pleas for legislation. That is not always the case in this chamber.

As Jim Tolson pointed out, owners need early information about their property factor and the services that they can expect to receive because the lack of such information simply stores up problems for the future. After all, as Sandra White and Paul Martin made clear, owners have every right to know what they are being charged for.

The fact that one of constituents’ main complaints about property factors relates, as we have heard, to the quality of their work and that people often want to know how to complain about unsatisfactory work demonstrates the need for home owners and property factors to have a clear understanding of the agreed level of service and of how to raise and get an adequate response to complaints when the level of service is inadequate. I, like many other members, would welcome a code of conduct for property factors. I welcome Patricia Ferguson’s willingness to discuss the code of conduct further, but I also think that the opportunity for the Scottish ministers to consult on the code before laying it before Parliament will ensure that the views of all parties—factors and those who receive their services—on how to make it most effective are heard.

Malcolm Chisholm, Elizabeth Smith and other members have, in today’s debate and in earlier debates on the issue, highlighted examples of property factors’ failure to deliver an adequate service. Sections 15 to 20 provide a framework for properly resolving disputes, section 17 sets out the referral process for complaints and section 15 confers on the private rented housing panel and committees—as the renamed home owner housing panel and home owner housing committees—additional functions to deal with such complaints. As Duncan McNeil said, we are still uncertain about the costs of the panel, but I accept Patricia Ferguson’s reassurances that she will provide further information on the issue at stage 2. I know that some members were attracted to the ombudsman option, but I agree with Malcolm Chisholm that there is more certainty about the home owner housing panel and therefore I support that approach. That said, I agree with Robert Brown that whatever system is put in place it should be clear and enforceable.

I have to say that I never thought that switching was the bill’s main aim. I appreciate David McLetchie’s view that that could raise standards, although I would hope that such issues would be addressed in the code of conduct. As Bob Doris pointed out, switching takes time and energy and I am sure that home owners would rather spend their time and energy on something more pleasurable. In any case, having to switch is actually a sign of failure and should therefore be avoided. Nevertheless, the option to switch must be available to ensure that the point of deregistration is fully carried through. I agree that the process must be made more straightforward. Allowing for time to elapse might help people find a replacement. We certainly have to address what happens when the property factor owns the land. Indeed, the issue has been raised constantly this afternoon and I am sure that we will make every effort to address it at stage 2.

At the beginning of the debate, I said that I sincerely welcome the bill. Let me be clear: I believe that property factors play a vital role in managing tenements, flatted properties and open spaces. I qualify that by saying that I am not completely convinced that the property factors whom I have come across have the necessary expertise to manage sophisticated drainage systems, for example, but in general I see the need for property factor services.

Some people, including some of my constituents, have suggested that owners could fulfil the role, but my experience is that it is difficult to make that work. I have also heard people say that local authorities should take on the role. As we have already heard, some do, but that means an additional cost. I cannot see any local authority being desperate to take on that responsibility for all council tax payers at no additional cost. Therefore, it seems that it is important that we have in place a framework that encourages and supports good and responsible property factors and puts out of business rogue factors who do not fulfil their part of the deal and try to exploit owners financially, and that framework should be supported by legislation.

I look forward to working with local government colleagues in our stage 2 deliberations to address the points that have been made today. Far too many people in Scotland are suffering because of rogue factors. I am sure that the bill will assist them, and I hope that we can move quickly so that they do not have to wait much longer for a resolution.

17:11

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Alasdair Morgan) SNP
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Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill) (Lab) Lab
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Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab) Lab
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The Minister for Housing and Communities (Alex Neil) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to debate the Property Factors (Scotland) Bill, which was introduced to the Parliament by Patricia Ferguson. The Government recogni...
Mary Mulligan (Linlithgow) (Lab) Lab
I, too, am pleased to take part in the stage 1 debate on the Property Factors (Scotland) Bill. I congratulate Patricia Ferguson on getting the bill to this s...
David McLetchie (Edinburgh Pentlands) (Con) Con
Like other members, I congratulate Patricia Ferguson, the bill’s sponsor, on her persistence and dedication in bringing this measure to Parliament and, I mig...
Jim Tolson (Dunfermline West) (LD) LD
The Liberal Democrats welcome the member’s bill that Patricia Ferguson has introduced and offer our congratulations to her. I also congratulate the clerks, w...
Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate Patricia Ferguson and thank her for introducing the bill. As one of the original signatories to the bill proposal, I am pleased to speak...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab) Lab
Like other members, I congratulate Patricia Ferguson on introducing her bill and getting it to stage 1. She should be commended for her hard work and diligen...
Elizabeth Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Stage 1 is an important staging post in assessing the many issues that are the origin of the bill. I pay tribute to Patricia Ferguson for the methodical mann...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD) LD
Does Elizabeth Smith accept that clarity on the point that she has just raised might make it easier for some people to accept liability for payments, and not...
Elizabeth Smith Con
Mr Brown makes a valid point, and I and the Conservative party in general accept it. It is a strong message in the bill.The relationship between the property...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak on the Property Factors (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I thank Patricia Ferguson for introducing the bill, and I thank my fel...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab) Lab
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Joe FitzPatrick (Dundee West) (SNP) SNP
I echo others in the chamber in congratulating Patricia Ferguson on the bill, which touches on a subject that is of great concern to many of our constituents...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD) LD
On behalf of the Liberal Democrats, I praise Patricia Ferguson for introducing the bill and for the manner in which she has done so. Although this debate wil...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
The debate that we have had today and the process that led us to it form a good example of the Parliament at its best. I only wonder why it has taken us so l...
Mary Mulligan Lab
This has been an excellent debate in which all members have made quite heartfelt pleas for legislation. That is not always the case in this chamber.As Jim To...
Alex Neil SNP
This debate on the principles of the bill and the issues that are to be addressed at stage 2 has been good and consensual. I congratulate Patricia Ferguson a...
David McLetchie Con
In relation to those figures—£2,000 a case and 220 cases a year for the private rented housing panel—is the minister convinced that the panel provides value ...
Alex Neil SNP
The reality is that it is quasi-judicial. As Mr McLetchie will know, anything that is judicial, and particularly anything that involves lawyers, can be extre...
Robert Brown LD
Will the minister take a further brief intervention on that?
Alex Neil SNP
Of course, from another lawyer. Are they going to declare an interest, Presiding Officer?
Robert Brown LD
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Alex Neil SNP
The enforceable order would be the responsibility of other authorities and not necessarily the panel or ombudsman. My point is that there are a great deal of...
Patricia Ferguson Lab
I very much welcome the content and tone of the debate. I will try to respond as best I can to the issues that members have raised. The debate has demonstrat...
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
At the recent meeting that I referred to, it seemed that a large number of people were paying 35 per cent commission to factors for their insurance.
Patricia Ferguson Lab
I would not dispute that. I have heard a variety of figures mentioned. I have also heard about what, in the trade, are loosely called gentlemen’s agreements,...