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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 08 December 2010

08 Dec 2010 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Property Factors (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Tolson, Jim LD Dunfermline West Watch on SPTV
The Liberal Democrats welcome the member’s bill that Patricia Ferguson has introduced and offer our congratulations to her. I also congratulate the clerks, witnesses and committee members, all of whom contributed significantly to get the bill to this stage.

The bill aims to provide home owners with much-needed protection from factoring companies who overcharge, do little of the work that they are contracted to provide and put every obstacle and excuse in place when it comes to resolving a dispute with residents. We hope that the bill will raise standards in the property management industry, albeit that some of its detail will need to be looked at more closely at stage 2 if residents’ concerns are to be overcome.

Since the mid-1990s, developers have engaged factoring companies to maintain common areas and to charge residents for that service. They have done that by writing into title deeds that residents jointly own common areas and should seek to have a factoring company to maintain such areas. The usual situation is for the factor to be engaged initially by the developer. That means that rather than, for example, paying an up-front fee for in-perpetuity maintenance to the local authority, the developer hands on responsibility to the people who purchase their new home. Many such purchasers subsequently claim that their lawyer, estate agent or, indeed, developer did not inform them of the on-going costs that are associated with their new property. To add insult to injury, in recent years a new model has become quite common, in which the factor owns the common areas of land within a new development and is legally able to charge residents for the maintenance of the land and equipment that the factor owns.

As a member of the Local Government and Communities Committee, which is the designated lead committee for the bill, I have had the opportunity to examine the evidence that was presented by a range of bodies including factoring companies, housing associations and consumer bodies. We also took evidence from concerned residents and from the Minister for Housing and Communities. The committee supports the general principles of the bill subject to further examination of a number of issues. In our stage 1 report, we noted the clear evidence that testified to the problems that members of the public encounter with property factors. Some of the problems relate to the maintenance of shared parts of a building—for example, the stairwell in a block of flats. Other problems relate to the maintenance—or, some would say, the lack of it—of public open spaces and equipment.

The large volume of complaints that I receive in my constituency makes me certain that any existing or proposed voluntary accreditation scheme will not address the problem of factors that provide a poor service to consumers. We need to proceed with a statutory framework to regulate property factors and provide a reasonable quality of service to residents who own or use land or property that is maintained by a factor.

Part 1 of the bill places a duty on Scottish ministers to prepare and maintain a register of property factors. In order to be added to that register, the property factor must be considered to be a “fit and proper” person. That means that they can be removed from the register if they fail to comply with the code of conduct or any order of the proposed home owner housing committee. Registration can also be refused. As other members have said, the issue of deregistration raises some significant questions. If a factor fails to meet the standard and is removed from the register—that will take place only once dispute procedures have been exhausted—where will their removal leave residents? Clarity is needed to ensure that there are no unintended consequences in that regard.

The code of conduct will serve a useful role in setting out the standards that are to be expected from property factors. However, more detail is required on the standards that should be included in the code, as well as on how it can improve the service standards that property factors provide, without referring to reserved matters.

As all members will be aware from our work in our constituencies, property factoring issues affect many people throughout Scotland; the problem is not only in our cities. Around 225,000 house owners in Scotland are forced to use property factors to carry out repair and maintenance responsibilities in their estates. As things stand, it is extremely difficult to progress a dispute with a factor. Owner-occupiers can find themselves legally boxed in and unable—at least in practical terms—to get out of a contract with an unsatisfactory property factor.

The Scottish Government’s plans for a voluntary, industry-led accreditation scheme for property managers do not go far enough. The Government has stated that it will impose statutory measures should this prove necessary. It is clear that such mandatory measures are required now. There is cross-party support for taking action in this area, although opinion is split on whether a voluntary scheme should be tried first. We share the view of the Office of Fair Trading that a voluntary scheme gives people no effective means of redress if things go wrong. At the very least, a statutory accreditation scheme should be ready to be enacted should that happen.

The Liberal Democrats welcome Patricia Ferguson’s bill and are content to support it at stage 1.

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In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Alasdair Morgan) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-7531, in the name of Patricia Ferguson, on the Property Factors (Scotland) Bill. Time is fairly tight for...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased that we are debating the Local Government and Communities Committee’s stage 1 report on the Property Factors (Scotland) Bill, and I would like t...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to be taking part in the debate as convener of the Local Government and Communities Committee. We were the lead committee that looked at Patrici...
The Minister for Housing and Communities (Alex Neil) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to debate the Property Factors (Scotland) Bill, which was introduced to the Parliament by Patricia Ferguson. The Government recogni...
Mary Mulligan (Linlithgow) (Lab) Lab
I, too, am pleased to take part in the stage 1 debate on the Property Factors (Scotland) Bill. I congratulate Patricia Ferguson on getting the bill to this s...
David McLetchie (Edinburgh Pentlands) (Con) Con
Like other members, I congratulate Patricia Ferguson, the bill’s sponsor, on her persistence and dedication in bringing this measure to Parliament and, I mig...
Jim Tolson (Dunfermline West) (LD) LD
The Liberal Democrats welcome the member’s bill that Patricia Ferguson has introduced and offer our congratulations to her. I also congratulate the clerks, w...
Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate Patricia Ferguson and thank her for introducing the bill. As one of the original signatories to the bill proposal, I am pleased to speak...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab) Lab
Like other members, I congratulate Patricia Ferguson on introducing her bill and getting it to stage 1. She should be commended for her hard work and diligen...
Elizabeth Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Stage 1 is an important staging post in assessing the many issues that are the origin of the bill. I pay tribute to Patricia Ferguson for the methodical mann...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD) LD
Does Elizabeth Smith accept that clarity on the point that she has just raised might make it easier for some people to accept liability for payments, and not...
Elizabeth Smith Con
Mr Brown makes a valid point, and I and the Conservative party in general accept it. It is a strong message in the bill.The relationship between the property...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak on the Property Factors (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I thank Patricia Ferguson for introducing the bill, and I thank my fel...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab) Lab
Factoring is an enormous issue in the new-build flats in my constituency, albeit not in the traditional tenements, which in Edinburgh have never had factors....
Joe FitzPatrick (Dundee West) (SNP) SNP
I echo others in the chamber in congratulating Patricia Ferguson on the bill, which touches on a subject that is of great concern to many of our constituents...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD) LD
On behalf of the Liberal Democrats, I praise Patricia Ferguson for introducing the bill and for the manner in which she has done so. Although this debate wil...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
The debate that we have had today and the process that led us to it form a good example of the Parliament at its best. I only wonder why it has taken us so l...
Mary Mulligan Lab
This has been an excellent debate in which all members have made quite heartfelt pleas for legislation. That is not always the case in this chamber.As Jim To...
Alex Neil SNP
This debate on the principles of the bill and the issues that are to be addressed at stage 2 has been good and consensual. I congratulate Patricia Ferguson a...
David McLetchie Con
In relation to those figures—£2,000 a case and 220 cases a year for the private rented housing panel—is the minister convinced that the panel provides value ...
Alex Neil SNP
The reality is that it is quasi-judicial. As Mr McLetchie will know, anything that is judicial, and particularly anything that involves lawyers, can be extre...
Robert Brown LD
Will the minister take a further brief intervention on that?
Alex Neil SNP
Of course, from another lawyer. Are they going to declare an interest, Presiding Officer?
Robert Brown LD
The issue is about the need to have at the end of the process an enforceable order so that everybody knows where they stand. It is a judicial process and it ...
Alex Neil SNP
The enforceable order would be the responsibility of other authorities and not necessarily the panel or ombudsman. My point is that there are a great deal of...
Patricia Ferguson Lab
I very much welcome the content and tone of the debate. I will try to respond as best I can to the issues that members have raised. The debate has demonstrat...
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
At the recent meeting that I referred to, it seemed that a large number of people were paying 35 per cent commission to factors for their insurance.
Patricia Ferguson Lab
I would not dispute that. I have heard a variety of figures mentioned. I have also heard about what, in the trade, are loosely called gentlemen’s agreements,...