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Meeting of the Parliament 08 December 2010

08 Dec 2010 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Property Factors (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I, too, am pleased to take part in the stage 1 debate on the Property Factors (Scotland) Bill. I congratulate Patricia Ferguson on getting the bill to this stage, and I thank Mike Dailly of the Govan Law Centre for his contribution and support. No MSP in the Parliament will not at some time have been contacted by a constituent who is having problems with their property factor. However, it was the experience of Mike Dailly and other legal colleagues that showed the need for a legislative solution to the problems. Since Patricia Ferguson led a debate in the Parliament on the issue earlier this year, the Local Government and Communities Committee has worked hard to examine the bill’s proposals. I think that all members are supportive of the policy intention but, as is often the case with proposed legislation, the detailed discussions have been about ensuring that parts of the bill deliver those intentions. I thank the witnesses who have helped the committee.

As we would expect of a bill from Patricia Ferguson, the bill is clear and logical in what it seeks to achieve. It seeks a statutory framework for property factors, registration of those property factors, a code of conduct, a framework for dispute resolution and an ability to deregister property factors that is linked to a power for people to switch factors. Before I turn to some of the key issues, I acknowledge the Scottish Government’s work in considering a voluntary accreditation scheme. It appears as though the Government was heading in the same direction as Patricia Ferguson’s bill. I suppose that the only surprise is that it has taken so long, although I appreciate the contribution that the minister has made to the debate.

The bill starts at part 1 with the provision of a register of property factors, which will be available for public inspection. At that early stage, the committee came across its first challenge, when some people questioned whether land-owning property factors should be part of the register. The previous speakers in the debate have referred to that issue. Given that the activities of land-owning property factors are similar to those of what we might call traditional property factors, it became clear to me early on that they should be included. My experience of property factors has very much been with those land-owning factors. In my constituency, I do not have the kind of traditional tenements that are found in Patricia Ferguson’s Maryhill constituency or here in central Edinburgh. In Linlithgow, property factors are in the new estates. They manage flatted properties, but they also manage open spaces, including play parks, wooded areas and drainage facilities and, in the majority of cases, they own that land. They fulfil their role in the same way as a traditional property factor. I agree with others that there is an unresolved issue to do with how a property factor could be switched if they own the land. I will come back to that. The committee is correct to say that all property factors should be included in the register, whether or not they own land.

I agree with Consumer Focus Scotland, which in its helpful briefing for the debate welcomed the definition of “property factor” in section 2. It recognised that there might need to be further amendments at stage 2 to fully encompass the land-owning property factors. I give this assurance to the chamber: should we not be able to resolve the issue through the amendments that Patricia Ferguson spoke about today, I pledge that Labour will introduce further measures to ensure that that group of property factors is included, should we be in a position to do so after the May election.

Another issue that arose was whether local authorities and housing associations that have a property factor function will need to register, given the other ways in which they are regulated. The committee is correct to say that, where local authorities and housing associations have that role, they should be registered in the same way as other property factors.

Time does not allow me to go into detail on issues such as dispute resolution, switching factors and the code of practice. I am sure that other speakers will cover many of those areas. Fortunately, or perhaps unfortunately for some, I will be closing the debate on behalf of the Labour Party so I will have an opportunity not just to respond to the debate but to pick up on any issues that I feel need further elaboration. However, at this stage, on behalf of the Labour Party, I am happy to support the general principles of the bill.

16:07

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Alasdair Morgan) SNP
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Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill) (Lab) Lab
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Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to be taking part in the debate as convener of the Local Government and Communities Committee. We were the lead committee that looked at Patrici...
The Minister for Housing and Communities (Alex Neil) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to debate the Property Factors (Scotland) Bill, which was introduced to the Parliament by Patricia Ferguson. The Government recogni...
Mary Mulligan (Linlithgow) (Lab) Lab
I, too, am pleased to take part in the stage 1 debate on the Property Factors (Scotland) Bill. I congratulate Patricia Ferguson on getting the bill to this s...
David McLetchie (Edinburgh Pentlands) (Con) Con
Like other members, I congratulate Patricia Ferguson, the bill’s sponsor, on her persistence and dedication in bringing this measure to Parliament and, I mig...
Jim Tolson (Dunfermline West) (LD) LD
The Liberal Democrats welcome the member’s bill that Patricia Ferguson has introduced and offer our congratulations to her. I also congratulate the clerks, w...
Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate Patricia Ferguson and thank her for introducing the bill. As one of the original signatories to the bill proposal, I am pleased to speak...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab) Lab
Like other members, I congratulate Patricia Ferguson on introducing her bill and getting it to stage 1. She should be commended for her hard work and diligen...
Elizabeth Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Stage 1 is an important staging post in assessing the many issues that are the origin of the bill. I pay tribute to Patricia Ferguson for the methodical mann...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD) LD
Does Elizabeth Smith accept that clarity on the point that she has just raised might make it easier for some people to accept liability for payments, and not...
Elizabeth Smith Con
Mr Brown makes a valid point, and I and the Conservative party in general accept it. It is a strong message in the bill.The relationship between the property...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak on the Property Factors (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I thank Patricia Ferguson for introducing the bill, and I thank my fel...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab) Lab
Factoring is an enormous issue in the new-build flats in my constituency, albeit not in the traditional tenements, which in Edinburgh have never had factors....
Joe FitzPatrick (Dundee West) (SNP) SNP
I echo others in the chamber in congratulating Patricia Ferguson on the bill, which touches on a subject that is of great concern to many of our constituents...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD) LD
On behalf of the Liberal Democrats, I praise Patricia Ferguson for introducing the bill and for the manner in which she has done so. Although this debate wil...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
The debate that we have had today and the process that led us to it form a good example of the Parliament at its best. I only wonder why it has taken us so l...
Mary Mulligan Lab
This has been an excellent debate in which all members have made quite heartfelt pleas for legislation. That is not always the case in this chamber.As Jim To...
Alex Neil SNP
This debate on the principles of the bill and the issues that are to be addressed at stage 2 has been good and consensual. I congratulate Patricia Ferguson a...
David McLetchie Con
In relation to those figures—£2,000 a case and 220 cases a year for the private rented housing panel—is the minister convinced that the panel provides value ...
Alex Neil SNP
The reality is that it is quasi-judicial. As Mr McLetchie will know, anything that is judicial, and particularly anything that involves lawyers, can be extre...
Robert Brown LD
Will the minister take a further brief intervention on that?
Alex Neil SNP
Of course, from another lawyer. Are they going to declare an interest, Presiding Officer?
Robert Brown LD
The issue is about the need to have at the end of the process an enforceable order so that everybody knows where they stand. It is a judicial process and it ...
Alex Neil SNP
The enforceable order would be the responsibility of other authorities and not necessarily the panel or ombudsman. My point is that there are a great deal of...
Patricia Ferguson Lab
I very much welcome the content and tone of the debate. I will try to respond as best I can to the issues that members have raised. The debate has demonstrat...
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
At the recent meeting that I referred to, it seemed that a large number of people were paying 35 per cent commission to factors for their insurance.
Patricia Ferguson Lab
I would not dispute that. I have heard a variety of figures mentioned. I have also heard about what, in the trade, are loosely called gentlemen’s agreements,...