Committee
Education, Culture and Sport Committee, 06 Mar 2001
06 Mar 2001 · S1 · Education, Culture and Sport Committee
Item of business
National Stadium Inquiry
The committee has taken a lot of evidence and knows most of the facts involved in the matter and I have provided you with a wind-up letter on the subject but I would like to make a short opening statement.I have made it clear in the numerous statements that I have made to the Scottish Parliament that the Scottish Office was always a minor funder of phase 2 redevelopment at Hampden. The project was not run by the Scottish Office; the Millennium Commission was the major funder and we are grateful for the substantial work that it has put into the project and into the development of the rescue package. It is fair to say that, without that input, Scotland and Scottish football would not have had the asset that is Hampden. The Executive first learned of the financial problems encountered by the project in late July 1999, only weeks after the Executive assumed its full powers. We could have let it fail but decided, in the national interest, to try to save it. We have been happy to play a major and constructive part in resolving the problems which, as I say, were not of our making.Much has been said about the financial pressures relating to the project. The position of the co-funders was simple: we were not prepared to contribute further funding without knowing the final outturn costs of the project and the size of the residual funding gap. Our consultants had access to the books of National Stadium and Queen's Park Football Club, but the information that was available to us was insufficient for us to get the answers we wanted.It has been said that the project was underfunded from the outset. The arrangement was set up by the Millennium Commission and a previous Administration. It is important to understand that when it entered the management contract with McAlpine, Queen's Park FC was not required to have a full funding package in place; it was required to be satisfied that a full funding package could be put in place. Everyone involved was aware that the project would require further funding from sponsorship deals, the debenture scheme and other sources. The decision of the directors of Queen's Park FC to seek the appointment of administrators came as something of a surprise to the co-funders. We were not aware of any creditor pressure—in fact, we believed that an informal arrangement with McAlpine gave Queen's Park FC the funds to continue trading over the festive period. It is important to note that the directors of Queen's Park FC were at sportscotland offices signing papers relating to the new lottery awards some time after the court had appointed administrators ad interim.The co-funders—particularly the Millennium Commission and the Scottish Executive—put in considerable effort over many months to help resolve the problems and put the management of Hampden on a more secure long-term footing. My officials and the commission attended many lengthy meetings—often arranged at short notice—with representatives of Queen's Park FC, the National Stadium plc, the Royal Bank of Scotland, the Scottish Football Association and other parties. It was quite an exhaustive process. The outcome is that we now have an excellent stadium that has a five-star rating from the Union of European Football Associations and some excellent ancillary facilities.When all the offices are occupied and the museum and sports injury clinic are open, Hampden will have a life about it and a place in the community that it never really had before. It is now time to put Hampden's past behind us and to help the SFA in its efforts to restore confidence, stability and a certain pride in the Hampden stadium and to attract many more visitors, sponsors and paying customers to it.
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The Convener:
Lab
The Minister for Environment, Sport and Culture will stay with us for this item and we are joined by John Gilmour, who is head of the sport policy unit at th...
Mr Galbraith:
Lab
The committee has taken a lot of evidence and knows most of the facts involved in the matter and I have provided you with a wind-up letter on the subject but...
The Convener:
Lab
Thank you, minister, for your statement.
Michael Russell:
SNP
The committee has received a great deal of evidence so far in what was meant to be a short, sharp inquiry and is now a lengthy inquiry. Patrick Andrews has n...
Mr Galbraith:
Lab
I do not think so. We could have walked away. That option was open to us all the time. The first decision that we had to make when we were presented with the...
Michael Russell:
SNP
When Christmas came and the negotiations were still going on, you expected them to start again on 6 January. When, as the report says, they did not start aga...
Mr Galbraith:
Lab
I will have to ask you too to make that judgment. We were acting in good faith. There were lots of telephone calls because we could not understand what the h...
Michael Russell:
SNP
Let us move on. That was the most difficult moment. A recovery was possible. Paragraph 4.2 of the document gives a number of reasons for why the rescue packa...
Mr Galbraith:
Lab
It was £450,000.
Michael Russell:
SNP
What period does that cover?
Mr Galbraith:
Lab
The period of administration.
Michael Russell:
SNP
For that short period?
Mr Galbraith:
Lab
Yes.
Michael Russell:
SNP
The sum of £450,000?
Mr Galbraith:
Lab
Yes.
Michael Russell:
SNP
I do not know whether you or Patrick Andrews are in a position to comment on this, minister, but how far is that in excess of what would have been expected?
Mr Galbraith:
Lab
That is completely beyond my scope of knowledge. I was staggered when I saw the figure—I thought "My golly, these people do well."
Patrick Andrews (Shepherd & Wedderburn):
As I put it to the interim administrator and to Dundas & Wilson, I can say only that I thought that it was an astonishing provision for fees, given the amoun...
Michael Russell:
SNP
I am not asking you to tell me what the estimate would have been if you had done the work, but as you were close to this what would be a fair estimate for th...
Patrick Andrews:
It is difficult to say. All I can do is compare it with my fees for the same period.
Michael Russell:
SNP
What would they be?
Patrick Andrews:
I cannot say what my fees would be for the same period, but I can tell you that from 16 August, when I was first instructed, up to completion, my firm's fees...
Michael Russell:
SNP
That speaks for itself. Paragraph 4.2 goes on:"A deterioration in the settlement terms agreed with AR Limited/Austin Reilly".Precisely what does that mean?
Mr Galbraith:
Lab
When we first agreed the settlement term, before the move to administration, it was agreed that the package was just over £4 million, of which just over £3 m...
Michael Russell:
SNP
How much is involved financially in that package?
Mr Galbraith:
Lab
I think that the figure is £100,000.
Michael Russell:
SNP
How much extra did this cost McAlpine?
Mr Galbraith:
Lab
I do not know. You would have to ask McAlpine that.
Michael Russell:
SNP
But it was a significant increase?
Mr Galbraith:
Lab
I would like the committee to recognise the contribution that McAlpine has made to the settlement of this deal, which was considerable. You will have to get ...