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Andy Wightman Ind Chamber
23 Mar 2021
European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Those were helpful comments from the cabinet secretary. The issue arises as a consequence of the two bills before Parliament—the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill, which was passed last week, and my bill. I think that they are...
Andy Wightman Ind Chamber
23 Mar 2021
Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I note the comments from the minister and Mr Bibby and I will not press the amendment. Amendment 11, by agreement, withdrawn.
Andy Wightman Ind Chamber
23 Mar 2021
Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Amendment 11 relates to the staffing of the new adjudicator. It would allow for the Scottish ministers to “ensure the provision of” staff in respect of the adjudicator, allowing greater flexibility in the approach to staffing and supporting the adjudicator. I am concerned that...
Andy Wightman Ind Chamber
23 Mar 2021
Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I thank the minister and the member in charge of the bill for their comments, and I note the points that they have raised. I acknowledge that perhaps the issue could have been raised earlier. I also welcome the minister’s acknowledgement of the Scottish Arbitration Centre’s ex...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Ind) Ind Chamber
23 Mar 2021
Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Amendment 2 aims to ensure the operation of an effective statutory arbitration scheme. I am concerned that the scheme as proposed in the bill is not governed by the Arbitration (Scotland) Act 2010. As the bill stands, the scheme allows for the arbitration rules of any institut...
Andy Wightman Ind Chamber
23 Mar 2021
European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill
I thank all members who have spoken in the debate. I echo the cabinet secretary’s thanks to COSLA, which, as I said in my opening remarks, has been championing the bill for a long time. The COSLA team and staff and its president, Alison Evison, have been extremely supportive t...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Ind) Ind Chamber
23 Mar 2021
European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill
I am delighted to open the stage 3 debate on the European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill. First, I thank all those who have contributed to the legislative process, including those who provided evidence on my draft proposal back in 2018; those ...
Andy Wightman Ind Chamber
23 Mar 2021
European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I have nothing to add, Presiding Officer. Amendment 6 agreed to.
Andy Wightman Ind Chamber
23 Mar 2021
European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Amendment 6 does two things. First, it refines the wording of section 6A(6), which is one of two subsections to section 6A that were added by Scottish Government amendments at stage 2. The amendment will ensure consistency of language between subsections (5) and (6) and will m...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Ind) Ind Chamber
23 Mar 2021
European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I should say in advance that I will take a little time in speaking to the amendments in group 1 because, although they are relatively minor in certain ways, they embody some fairly important principles about how Parliament operates. The purpose of the bill is to incorporate i...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Ind) Ind Chamber
16 Mar 2021
United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I have a few comments to make on amendment 46, on behalf of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body. The SPCB recognises the aim of amendment 46 to hold the Parliament to the same standard as other public authorities. However, I have a few comments on how that can best be ac...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
10 Mar 2021
No Recourse to Public Funds
Do you think that it is unlawful for Home Office case workers to be applying the NRPF conditions by default, without, as you imply, any detailed consideration of the individual case?
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
10 Mar 2021
No Recourse to Public Funds
I want to ask Jen Ang a question as well. The NRPF conditions are placed on a migrant’s leave to remain, but is there a consistent policy sitting behind that, or do you in your legal work find that it is a bit ad hoc in some cases?
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
10 Mar 2021
No Recourse to Public Funds
Graham O’Neill, your evidence describes the NRPF regime as a form of UK state hostility towards migrants and you point out that that is a legal power, not a duty, under the Immigration Act 1971. Have Governments of all persuasions since 1971 adopted that policy, or have there ...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
10 Mar 2021
No Recourse to Public Funds
That is helpful.
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
10 Mar 2021
No Recourse to Public Funds
Eloise Nutbrown said that COSLA and the Scottish Government have been making representations to the UK Government to suspend its policy on NRPF. As I understand it, the policy has been in place for some time but is not obligatory. The Government can suspend the condition, if i...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
10 Mar 2021
No Recourse to Public Funds
Does Susanne Millar have any observations? I picked up from you that what is expensive and time consuming is people having to navigate the complex landscape, as opposed to being able to access the routine benefits that everybody else does. Do you have a perspective?
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
10 Mar 2021
No Recourse to Public Funds
I understand that. I am trying to ask whether, in the broad terms of the cost to the public sector, would it be more cost-effective overall?
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Ind) Ind Committee
10 Mar 2021
No Recourse to Public Funds
I thank everyone for their written evidence, which is useful in navigating what is a complicated legal landscape, as you have indicated. Eloise, in response to an earlier question, you said that supporting people with no recourse to public funds is “expensive to resource”. On...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I understand that, but you made a commitment in the foreword. You said: “I will lead by example in following the letter and spirit of this Code.” I am just inviting you to agree that that is, indeed, what you will do.
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Finally, in your foreword to the ministerial code, you say: “I will lead by example in following the letter and spirit of this Code, and I expect that Ministers and civil servants will do likewise.” You confirm that, following the report from Mr Hamilton, you will, indeed, l...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Thanks very much. I will turn to the ministerial code itself—your version of the ministerial code from 2018. I must confess that I had not read the ministerial code in such detail until recently. Given the significance that is attached to the panel of independent advisers—last...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
So, he had two meetings that day, at least, that you knew about.
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I have two or maybe three brief points to make. In annexe A, on page 6 of your written submission to the committee, which relates to the meeting on 29 March 2018, you say: “Mr Aberdein was in Parliament to see a former colleague and while there came to see me.” Do you know w...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I do not think that you will know the answer to this question, but what I am getting at is whether, in the winding-up period when you decided to concede, there was any suggestion, discussion or approach from the petitioner about you not just conceding on the application of the...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
No, but we know what Lord Pentland said, because it is in the interlocutor, which is before me. It says: “having heard counsel, on the petitioner’s motion, of consent, and in terms and in respect of the Joint Minute for parties ... (i.) finds and declares that the decisions ...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
No problem.
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
So you agreed the joint minute, and Lord Pentland basically issued that as an interlocutor, in effect.
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
That is fine—it is not particularly important. I will move on to the process of the concession. The Scottish ministers decided to concede the case and I understand that there was discussion at 4 o’clock on Hogmanay 2018—I am sure that the Lord Advocate appreciated that—about ...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Would it be fair to say, in response to Murdo Fraser’s line of questioning, that the critical tipping point—the thing that changed everything—was the period 6 December to 19 December? On 6 December was the point at which counsel said “concede” or “press on regardless”. Then t...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I have a few questions on the judicial review. I thank my colleague Murdo Fraser for walking us through much of the process. First, the petition was against Leslie Evans, who was the first party, and the Scottish ministers were the second party. Can you confirm that at all sta...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
We will try to find out.
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
You do not know, and we do not know, what concerns the detective chief superintendent voiced at that meeting. At this moment, we do not know.
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
But that is just a presumption, and you do not know—
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Okay. That was my only question, really. We do not know what concerns were expressed at that meeting—we are going to try to find out—and you do not know what the concerns were either. Is that the case?
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
We do not know what the concerns were at that meeting; we do not know the concerns.
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
No, I mean up until now. Do you have any knowledge of what those concerns were?
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
You were never told, even after that event, what the concerns were that the detective chief superintendent had raised about making a public statement.
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
My final question relates to all this becoming very public on 23 August. In the report of the Information Commissioner’s Office review of its criminal investigations team’s investigation of the leak, it says, in paragraph 4.2: “The leak came a few hours after the SG had notif...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I am loth to continue the previous conversation, but the evidence from Police Scotland, which I have in front of me, advises that “Police Scotland provided advice at the meeting on 6th December 2017, advising that where criminality was suspected, individuals should be directe...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
If anyone in the Scottish Government leaked, made public or communicated to a third party information such as the name of a complainer or, indeed, a decision report, that would clearly be a dismissal offence, would it not?
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I will. It relates to the ICO’s review of the decision by the criminal investigation team, which was reported to Levy & McRae on 28 May 2020. In paragraph 4.8, it says: “There remains the possibility that the leak came from elsewhere. The list of stakeholders who had acce...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I think that that draft letter has not been disclosed to the committee. Could the Government please supply it?
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Finally, for now, given that the new procedure was to be made applicable to former ministers from 1999 onwards, of whom there must be dozens—perhaps 40 or 50—what efforts were made to inform them of the fact that they might be the subject of complaints under the procedure?
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Paragraph 13 in the procedure states that where it is the case that the former minister was a member of an Administration formed by a different political party, the permanent secretary is given the role of informing the party leader of the outcome of the investigation and any ...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Were you ever advised during the development of the procedure that the retrospective element, whereby it applied to former ministers, was of doubtful legality?
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
In terms of the relationship that the Deputy First Minister and First Minister had with regard to fairness at work and the new procedure, as Deputy First Minister, under fairness at work, you would have been passed a copy of a complaint if informal resolution had failed in rel...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Yes, there is a fundamental disagreement between you, because he said: “I do not think that you can make that argument. Legally, I have been informed that you could perhaps try that argument pre-2010 when there was no such policy, but it would be very difficult to make that a...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
In relation to that, I will ask you the same question that I asked Mr Salmond on Friday. Do you think that, as a matter of principle, there should be a procedure for investigating complaints of sexual harassment against former ministers in the Scottish Government?
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I will ask a fairly basic question. In your written evidence, you say, for example, that you recognise “that organisations too often closed ranks in defence of men accused of inappropriate behaviour; and that it could be particularly difficult for ‘historic’ allegations to be...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Ind) Ind Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Good morning, First Minister. You have said clearly that you had received no concerns about any alleged behaviour by Mr Salmond before the Sky News inquiry. One of the civil servants—whose complaint ended up in the court, in fact—said to the journalist Dani Garavelli: “If I h...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
02 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
My final question is for the Lord Advocate. When speaking about the disclosure of the material to the Crown Agent, Leslie Evans, the permanent secretary, said that she took legal advice about to whom she should disclose it. As I understand it, following a decision that the mat...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
02 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Can you confirm that it was you who arranged the meeting with the detective chief superintendent and the chief constable? Is that correct?
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
02 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Can you confirm that the material that you came into possession of, and that you were discussing, came into your possession because it was sent to you by Leslie Evans, the permanent secretary, the previous day?
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
02 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
That is a helpful summary. Can you confirm that, as the ICO report notes, it was a detective chief superintendent who voiced concerns about the Scottish Government making a public statement? For the record, did any other parties express concerns or was it only the DCS?
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
02 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Yes, please.
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
02 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I have a question for David Harvie. Detective Chief Superintendent Redacted was at the meeting on 21 August 2018, at which the police were offered a copy of the internal misconduct investigation report but refused to take it. At the meeting, the detective chief superintendent ...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
02 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
That contradicts Mr Salmond’s statement, in which he said: “The reason we were able to give the ICO a copy of that statement is because the Crown Office permitted us to do so.”—Official Report, Committee on the Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints, 26 Februar...
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
02 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
That is fine; we will leave that. To be clear, you did not consent to that disclosure to the Information Commissioner’s Office.
Andy Wightman Ind Committee
02 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I do not.
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 23 March 2021

23 Mar 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

Those were helpful comments from the cabinet secretary. The issue arises as a consequence of the two bills before Parliament—the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill, which was passed last week, and my bill. I think that they are the first two Scottish Parliament bills to incorporate international treaties. The policy intention of my bill is that, if Scotland wishes to be bound by the charter as it currently exists and as ratified by the UK, even if the UK decided in five years’ time to renounce articles 5, 6 and 7, Scotland would still be bound by those articles—they would remain part of Scots law and would be judiciable. That same argument applies to the UNCRC bill and would apply to any other bill that sought to incorporate international instruments.

It is a devolution issue—although that is perhaps a technical term—whereby there is an inherent risk if the Scottish Parliament decides to incorporate treaties and not have an automatic keeping pace power. That is not a good situation to be in, but I accept the cabinet secretary’s assessment of the risk, although I take a different view. The matter needs to be considered and clarified, and, if necessary, the devolution arrangements need to be modified to better enable the Scottish Parliament to decide by which international treaties and their parts it wishes to be bound.

I seek to withdraw amendment 1.

Amendment 1, by agreement, withdrawn.

Amendment 2 not moved.

Amendment 3 moved—[Aileen Campbell]—and agreed to.

Amendments 4 and 5 not moved.

Section 6A—Enhanced scrutiny of regulations under section 6(1)

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amend...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 1 is on the meaning and interpretation of the charter articles. Amendment 1, in the name of Andy Wightman, is grouped with amendments 2 to 5. I remind ...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Ind) Ind
I should say in advance that I will take a little time in speaking to the amendments in group 1 because, although they are relatively minor in certain ways, ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Communities and Local Government (Aileen Campbell) SNP
Amendment 3, in my name, is necessary to clarify the effect of section 1(2A). It will extend subsection (2A) to require the charter articles to be read subje...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Cabinet secretary, I am very sorry to do this, but I am afraid that we have lost the virtual chamber. It is not your doing at all—it is a technical fault. Th...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I apologise for the technical problem—broadcasting is now back. As we lost the broadcast only for 30 seconds, I ask the cabinet secretary to pick up from whe...
Aileen Campbell SNP
I hope that I am at the right bit. Mr Wightman’s amendments would also mean that there would still be a potential disconnect between the charter as incorpor...
Andy Wightman Ind
Those were helpful comments from the cabinet secretary. The issue arises as a consequence of the two bills before Parliament—the United Nations Convention on...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 2 is on scrutiny of regulations under section 6(1). Amendment 6, in the name of Andy Wightman, is the only amendment in the group.
Andy Wightman Ind
Amendment 6 does two things. First, it refines the wording of section 6A(6), which is one of two subsections to section 6A that were added by Scottish Govern...
Aileen Campbell SNP
Amendment 6 is a technical amendment that will improve the language that is used in section 6A(6). The amendment also makes it clear that, if the Scottish mi...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Does Mr Wightman wish to make any further comments?
Andy Wightman Ind
I have nothing to add, Presiding Officer. Amendment 6 agreed to.
The Presiding Officer NPA
That ends consideration of amendments. As members will be aware, at this stage in proceedings, I am required under the standing orders to decide whether, in...