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Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
23 Mar 2021
Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill
I know how much work goes into introducing a member’s bill, and I congratulate Neil Bibby on the tenacity that he has shown in getting it to this stage. The Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill seeks to improve the position of tied pub tenants and their pub-owning businesses, and give S...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
11 Mar 2021
Scottish Biometrics Commissioner (Appointment)
As a member of the cross-party selection panel that was established by the Presiding Officer under the standing orders, I am delighted to speak to motion S5M-24333, which invites members of the Parliament to agree to nominate Dr Brian Plastow to Her Majesty the Queen for appoi...
Margaret Mitchell Con Chamber
10 Mar 2021
Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I have set out my arguments. Given the lateness of the hour and the work that we still have to get through, I am content to leave it at that and let members make up their own minds when it comes time for those decisions.
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
10 Mar 2021
Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
During the scrutiny of the bill, there was significant discussion about the inclusion of age as a characteristic and the issue of vulnerability. In its evidence at stage 1, the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service stated: “Prosecutorial experience is that there are rel...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Can I make a final response?
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Certainly.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I am telling the—
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I was quoting the Official Report.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Will you respond to those points, First Minister?
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
—were to be elected again, there would be no checks and balances on those powers, and that matters.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
First Minister, at the very beginning, we established that transparency, openness and accountability are essential for any Government to establish trust with the electorate. In responding to the fact that no one so far has taken any responsibility for the catastrophic fallout ...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I might not be able to put the questions that I want to the First Minister but I will see what progress we make.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
If you do not mind, this is important, convener.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
No, I do not. That sets out both arguments clearly.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
If you will excuse me, First Minister. It is for others to look at the case that I have set out and at what you have said. Forgive me—I am maybe putting words in your mouth—but it sounded like, “I was going to make sure that it was exposed and that he did not get off with thi...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I think that I would have weighed up the arguments, but the point is that there was a route. Arbitration was offered to the permanent secretary and she rejected it. It is a process that anyone, regardless of political party, could have followed, and it is what he did follow.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
To act in the public interest would, it seems to me, have been to establish the legal advice that you got—it was not 100 per cent certain that it was fine—and the legal advice that he had got from very credible and experienced lawyers. It was not as though he had put his finge...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
The difficulty with that is that you are the First Minister of Scotland. You are the most powerful person in Scotland and you should be acting in the public interest.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Inaudible.—Laughter. I think that we helped you out a little bit, when you were a minority Government.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Here is my problem with that, First Minister. The former First Minister of Scotland, who has a reputation for knowing procedure and for running a very competent Government, has told us on record that he came to you saying that he was reluctant to take the Government—which he h...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I refer you to your written submission and the entry dated 5 July 2018, when there is a discussion with Alex Salmond about arbitration. He says: “arbitration is rejected because the SG is confident in the legality of the process ... My Senior Counsel believes it is unlawful. ...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I think that any complainers would welcome knowing that, if they came forward, they would be dealt with properly and referred to the proper services in the future. That would give them—Interruption.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
—to take them on board and then refer them to the people who are qualified and trained to deal with the complainers.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
You seem to have missed a crucial point. It is not for the Government to try and—Interruption.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
That would be very much appreciated, because it is essential to make sure that this never happens again, and that this kind of advice is never ignored by Scottish Government officials again. I am sure that you would not want to be party to that happening in a Government that y...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
That would be very helpful in letting us know exactly who met the police and who ignored the advice. I just point out again that the police formed the view that “the hypothetical questions were predicated upon a set of circumstances ... rather than ... a generic procedure”,...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I just reiterate that the first approach to the police was before the handling process had been signed off, which was at the beginning of December: 5 December and 6 December, with various meetings thereafter. It was made clear at that point that it would not be appropriate for...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I appreciate that you are trying to be helpful, but that confuses the issue. The issue was the investigating officer’s role. When those Scottish Government officials approached the police, it was to look at how the procedure would be developed. They gave some hypothetical ques...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
This is a crucially important line and you are shutting it down.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Those approaches were made—
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Can I tell you why?
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I appreciate that, convener, but you are just wrong. It was—
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Yes.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Convener, could you let the First Minister answer? Maybe then you would have some clarity.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
First Minister, they ignored the fact that they were not trained and should not have been dealing with victims’ complaints. That advice was absolutely crystal clear and they ignored it. You said that they made mistakes—they were not trained to do it. Apparently, you knew nothi...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Knowing what I have just read out, was it appropriate for the Scottish Government officials to go ahead and carry out that investigation?
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Is it your position that you knew nothing about this police advice? Scottish Government officials had been told that the staff were not trained to undertake such investigations or to engage with victims. Did those civil servants and Scottish Government officials keep that from...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I turn now to an issue that Alex Cole-Hamilton raised. We know that the complainants did not want to report their complaints to the police, but that that was done on the basis of the IO’s report and the permanent secretary’s final decision. We have a submission from Police Sc...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Okay. I am going to leave that there, because I do not think that we are going to get too much further with it, First Minister.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Yes. When did work start on developing the process?
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
A three-month policy, complainants came forward in—
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I am just going to leave that there. I will leave all that hanging in the air. Others can look at it and we can go back and check things.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Right, but the complaints only came forward in November. What happened in October? If it was a three-month period from beginning to end—
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Was it three months in the making? If they only came forward in November, then there was December, it would take us to the end of January before the procedure was signed off.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I merely say that there is a discrepancy about how long it took to develop the process from beginning to end.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Can you tell us when the complainants first came forward?
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
It was three months in development: it was started in November, then there was December and January, and it was published immediately it was signed off, in February. However, as you have just said, the complainants made their complaint in January, which is before the former Fi...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Yes—by the former First Minister. He disputed that in his last submission.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
You will be aware that that is being disputed by the First Minister.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
When was the policy signed off?
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Thank you. When was the procedure published on the Scottish Government website?
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
It is now good afternoon, First Minister. Before I get to my substantive point, it would be good to clarify some timescales. We know that the fairness at work policy took 18 months to develop and this procedure took three months. Can you confirm when the complainants finally d...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I will. The FDA said: “In reflecting back on the last 10 years we are aware of approaches on behalf of around 30 members in relation to at least 5 Ministerial Offices”. That was five SNP ministerial offices. You said that you would be happy to look at that. I would be glad t...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
This will be my last point. Just for reference—
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Can I stop you there, First Minister? I am talking generally. It was five SNP ministers. I remind you that Alex Salmond is a key witness to the inquiry. He is not on trial—your actions are. If you could focus on that, that would be much appreciated.
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I am conscious of time. All that I will say is that it was entirely in your remit as the Deputy First Minister to look at complaints at an informal stage. Were you aware that complaints had been raised, predominantly from females? You have always set yourself up as someone who...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
I merely comment that to refer to what happened as a mistake or a serious error is somewhat disingenuous. Interruption. If you could let me finish, First Minister. In the judicial review case, Lord Pentland’s order made it quite clear that the process was unlawful and tainted...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
You mentioned that you have been frustrated in having to wait two years to give evidence. Most of us have been in exactly the same position; in fact, we have been more frustrated, because the delay has been fairly and squarely because the Government has not provided the inform...
Margaret Mitchell Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Openness, transparency and accountability are essential for any Government to maintain trust, but the Deputy First Minister has refused to allow the calculation of the costs of the Scottish Government legal department for the judicial review. The total cost is likely to be muc...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
03 Mar 2021
Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Good morning, First Minister. I will take you back to when the inquiry was announced in January 2019, when you said: “I say that I will answer any question to the fullest extent possible and that my Government will co-operate fully with all and any inquiries.” You went on to...
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 23 March 2021

23 Mar 2021 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill

I know how much work goes into introducing a member’s bill, and I congratulate Neil Bibby on the tenacity that he has shown in getting it to this stage.

The Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill seeks to improve the position of tied pub tenants and their pub-owning businesses, and give Scottish tied pub tenants at least the same protections and opportunities as those in England and Wales have. As others have said, those aims are to be realised through the establishment of a Scottish pubs code and the appointment of a Scottish pubs code adjudicator. Key aspects of the code include the right to sell a guest beer and the right to pay a market rent on a property without having to buy into other products or services.

The bill’s overall benefits include prompting owners and tied tenants to work together to ensure that both parties share the profits and risks. Covid has had a massively adverse effect on Scotland’s pubs and publicans, which makes it all the more important that owners and tenants work together to aid the industry’s recovery. The bill will give tenants greater choices in running their pub, and the opportunity to invest in the business and themselves.

Scotland’s pubs are a vital part of our economy, as well as our local communities. Pubs act as a social hub in villages and communities throughout Scotland. When we can meet again, customers will be able to enjoy a wider choice of products, particularly from local independent brewers, at more competitive prices, and Scotland’s brewing industry will also see a welcome boost. Therefore, I look forward to voting for the bill at decision time.

After 18 years of having had the privilege and pleasure of representing my constituents in the Central Scotland region, this is my last speech in the Scottish Parliament. The most important and rewarding aspect of being an MSP has been the ability to fight my constituents’ corner, help to resolve problems and ensure that their issues and concerns are not brushed aside, but given a fair hearing.

As a list MSP, it has been a frustration that, rather than being held directly accountable to our constituents when seeking re-election, the list ranking of regional MSPs is in the hands of our various parties before the electorate has its say. That is a weakness of the Scottish Parliament’s democratic process.

Chamber debates tend to be dominated by party-political speeches. By contrast, MSPs work well together in cross-party groups, such as the CPG on dyslexia. Such groups seek to take forward issues raised by the individuals, voluntary organisations and other stakeholders who are members of the groups. I will return to CPGs in my closing remarks, with suggestions about how we can make chamber business more effective.

The atmosphere in the chamber today has been different from the usual final days of a parliamentary session as MSPs make their closing speeches. I want to address the Committee on the Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints inquiry report. For me, the most important findings were not those relating to breaches of the ministerial code but the infinitely more worrying revelations about the centralised system of Government in Scotland, in which the Government is all powerful and there is an absence of the necessary checks and balances to prevent abuses and ensure the openness, transparency and accountability that is essential for any Government to establish trust with the electorate.

Those issues will not be easily or quickly resolved. For all of us in the chamber and for the wider public, a good place to start is with the inquiry report, which can be used as a reference document with the minutes of the committee meetings, the Official Reports of our evidence sessions and the published submissions, which are listed in the report’s annexes.

The report contains the transcript of the balanced and insightful evidence of the two brave complainers, who, having listened to the inquiry evidence, including the final evidence sessions with the former First Minister and the First Minister, insisted on giving evidence to the committee on oath and in person. They did so because those who are anonymous have no voice. It was entirely fitting that the final evidence session was with the complainers and that they had the final word. Abuses of power matter in any democracy and the end does not justify the means. It is a stark reminder that our democratic freedoms are hard won and should never be taken for granted.

I return to the Parliament’s CPGs. My first experience of a CPG was in 2003, when Annabel Goldie asked me to attend a meeting of the CPG on adult survivors of childhood sexual abuse. From that day on, I have been full of admiration for individuals whose trust has been betrayed in an unimaginable way, often in a family context by the very people who they should have expected to protect them and keep them safe. The CPG has informed much of the work that I have focused on as an MSP, including the Apologies (Scotland) Bill, which was suggested in a CPG meeting by the former chair of the Scottish Human Rights Commission, Professor Alan Miller. It was something that could give brave women—largely, the victims are women, although men have also suffered dreadful abuse—the important acknowledgement that they seek of the abuse that they have suffered. It provides empathy and—most important for them—it provides a method of ensuring that the same thing does not happen to anyone else.

The survivors’ trial process led me to make arguments for independent legal representation for victims of rape and other serious assaults, which has been rejected by the Government in the context of various pieces of legislation but which I hope will go forward in the next Parliament.

On improving chamber time, if the Scottish Parliament cut out the happy-clappy, time-filling debates that we all know exist, and used the time for MSPs to raise informed issues that have come about through their work in cross-party groups, that would allow for suggestions to be put forward at the end of the debate for the minister to consider, with the possibility that they could put in place concrete proposals to address the issues that have been raised.

I thank Kate Wane and Claire Wilson for their hard work and support in what has been an exhausting parliamentary session. I look forward to spending more time with my family—that is usually a euphemism and has other connotations, but I genuinely mean it—my husband, Henry, and westies Jack and Jamie. Henry will be very pleased, if not a little surprised, that I have put them in that order. I also look forward to doing what I want to do, including starting on my ever-increasing bucket list.

I wish remaining MSPs, and those who are standing down, well in the future. I hope that all who seek re-election do well. It has been a pleasure to work with everyone and to be an MSP in the Parliament, and I wish members good fortune for the future.

19:12  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-24271, in the name of Neil Bibby, on the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill at stage 3. 18:19
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It gives me great pleasure to open today’s stage 3 debate on the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill. I lodged the draft proposal for this member’s bill more than four...
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
I am very pleased to be speaking on behalf of the Government in this final debate on the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill. Of course, as I have been at pains to emp...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Lewis Macdonald) Lab
I remind members at the back of the chamber that their voices carry. 18:30
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
We are near the end of the parliamentary session—we have only a day to go—and all of us have been clearing out our offices to get them ready for the next occ...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Neil Bibby and his team for the tremendous amount of work that they have done to get the bill to this stage. I hope that the bill will be pass...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Probably more than ever before, we know through the pandemic the value of pubs as community assets that play a social role and as major employers that showca...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Willie Rennie LD
If the minister is going to deny that he was charmed, I want to hear from him.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I will leave others to consider the charm or otherwise of Mr Bibby. I put on the record that at no stage did I state any opposition to the legislation.
Willie Rennie LD
He was charmed even before he knew he was! That is an incredible admission. Neil Bibby’s powers know no bounds. It is true that the profile of the sector in...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I add my sincere congratulations to Neil Bibby, not just on introducing the bill and steering it through but on doing the work of building consensus to get t...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
To say that the evidence that we heard during consideration of the bill was polarised is putting it mildly, and it is fair to say that committee members were...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I, too, congratulate my Labour colleague Neil Bibby on getting the Tied Pubs (Scotland) Bill to stage 3. I recognise all the hard work that he has put in to ...
Colin Beattie (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP) SNP
I thank Neil Bibby for introducing the bill and for his open engagement throughout the whole process. The bill was not easy for the Economy, Energy and Fair ...
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I join other members in congratulating Neil Bibby on securing the passage of his member’s bill on tied pubs later this evening. As many have recounted, it ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Margaret Mitchell, who is making her final speech as a member of the Parliament. 19:02
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I know how much work goes into introducing a member’s bill, and I congratulate Neil Bibby on the tenacity that he has shown in getting it to this stage. The...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I thank those who have contributed to the debate, which has been something of a revelation. I was interested to see that both Graham Simpson and Patrick Harv...
Neil Bibby Lab
I thank all members who have participated in the debate. I pay tribute to Margaret Mitchell, who just made her final speech. She was a particular help to my...