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Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD): LD Chamber
28 Mar 2007
Airdrie-Bathgate Railway and Linked Improvements Bill
I congratulate the committee, which has clearly done a good job, and which, by studying the issues intensively, has done what committees are supposed to do. I congratulate the Executive—which I do not often do—and the Parliament on the positive attitude that we now have to rai...
Donald Gorrie: LD Chamber
22 Mar 2007
Education
I am sure that there are good points in the SNP amendment but, for reasons that the member will appreciate, I will not be voting for it.My first point is that we are denying our young people ordinary, civilised human contact. We have tried to approach the issue through the Pro...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD): LD Chamber
22 Mar 2007
Education
James Douglas-Hamilton and I go back to the early 1970s, when we were both councillors on Edinburgh Town Council. I will draw a veil over that.I am happy to support the motion, which sets out the Executive's position on education, but I would like to add to it. The motion, lik...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD): LD Chamber
21 Mar 2007
Cairngorms National Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I am an assiduous watcher of "Yes, Minister" DVDs. Unfortunately, today I am in the position of the Sir Humphrey brigade, who often say, "Yes, of course I support this radical reform in principle," but then find all sorts of objections to it in practice. I find the position sl...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD): LD Chamber
15 Mar 2007
Scottish Commission for Public Audit
In case any member is confused, this debate is not on the issue about which the Procedures Committee wrote to the Presiding Officer to say that it was concerned that the Parliament will not get a chance to debate a major report that we produced. This debate is on a different i...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD): LD Chamber
14 Mar 2007
Code of Conduct
I have a problem in that the two parliamentary committees on which I serve—the Standards and Public Appointments Committee and the Procedures Committee—are both housekeeping committees for the Parliament and, for whatever reason, it is difficult to excite members about houseke...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD): LD Chamber
14 Mar 2007
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I seek clarification from the minister. Obviously, there are political arguments about these issues, but I suggest that we should try to pass laws that are reasonably sensible whatever the politics behind them.The bill will introduce the new concept of time-ism, rather like ag...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD): LD Chamber
08 Mar 2007
Complaint
The Standards and Public Appointments Committee contacted Brian Monteith and said that it wished to take further representations from him so that he could clarify any points that he wished to make. He had already dealt with the matter fully with the Scottish parliamentary stan...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD): LD Chamber
08 Mar 2007
SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE · Outdoor Education
In addition to council-operated centres, the national centres, to which the minister referred, could be funded much more generously. Their facilities are not much used. Given the great benefit that outdoor and residential education brings, will the minister consider Charlie Go...
Donald Gorrie: LD Chamber
08 Mar 2007
Protection of Vulnerable Groups (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The amendment is excellent but I would like the minister to tell us what would happen during the rest of the year, not just when the annual report is published. Experience shows that it is not always as easy as it should be for an MSP to get information from ministers about th...
Donald Gorrie: LD Chamber
08 Mar 2007
Protection of Vulnerable Groups (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I support the thrust of Adam Ingram's argument. Many voluntary organisations are greatly concerned about fees. I accept the minister's rebuke that we should not speak about the voluntary sector as though it were a homogenous globe, but many small organisations greatly fear tha...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD): LD Chamber
08 Mar 2007
Protection of Vulnerable Groups (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Many of the issues around the bill are to do with proportionality. Rules that may be reasonable to impose on someone who has one-to-one contact with children or vulnerable adults and in situations in which great care needs to be taken should not be applied in exactly the same ...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD): LD Chamber
07 Mar 2007
Football (Sectarianism)
I congratulate Alasdair Morrison on securing the debate and on his speech, which covered the ground well. Kenny MacAskill also made many good points.We are all subject to prejudices. Considering a sport that involves a ball of a different shape, I think that many Scottish rugb...
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Annual Report
No, it is a collective view.Two or three papers have been circulated on subjects that are not agenda items. The one about the independent review of regulation, inspection, audit and complaints handling of public services in Scotland invites any of us who have views from either...
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Annual Report
We still have annual reports, as we decided previously.On two or three recent issues, we have not supported the Conveners Group's views, so I feel slightly unpopular when I go to its meetings. However, I claim, "It wisnae me"—I blame all of you.
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Annual Report
Yes, paragraph 4 mentions it.If there are no other points, I take it that we approve the annual report. What happens to it now?
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Annual Report
The next item is the annual report, which is a factual account of what we have done. Does anyone have any questions or observations? The report will presumably cover what we have just decided. Is that right?
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Parliamentary Time
I am quite calm. I am just biting my lip.
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Parliamentary Time
Thank you. We are all disappointed, but at least we discussed the issue in a reasonable fashion.
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Parliamentary Time
Right.
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Parliamentary Time
The question is the mechanism of producing a letter that people can sign up to.
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Parliamentary Time
Right. We can report it to the press subsequently. We are trying to draw attention to the issue. It is not a burning issue for the press, but some of them might be interested in it.
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Parliamentary Time
Yes. A copy will be sent to all members. It will be a proper letter, not just an e-mail—although it could be sent both ways. It will also be sent to all the press to see whether we can interest some of them in the issue.
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Parliamentary Time
Yes.
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Parliamentary Time
We will compose a letter, which will go from us to the bureau.
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Parliamentary Time
If we wrote to the bureau, is there any means by which the letter could become a public paper and the figures would be on the record?
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Parliamentary Time
You are right to say that it would not be something to do lightly or inadvisedly. Nevertheless, if there was a brief debate and the subject was aired, that would at least reduce one of the arguments against the whole exercise—the argument that most MSPs have not engaged with t...
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Parliamentary Time
It is, nevertheless, an opportunity for setting out a case on which members of the committee have strong feelings. I presume that the Minister for Parliamentary Business would have to represent what she thought were the bureau's and the Executive's views.There is an additional...
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Parliamentary Time
Whatever colleagues think. I have challenged the business motion several times in the past. Occasionally, the vote in favour of my challenge has got into double figures, but one is on a hiding to nothing, really.
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Parliamentary Time
It is helpful to get colleagues' views. We come from slightly different angles, but we all agree that we are disappointed.The only opportunity to mention the matter in the chamber, other than in a point of order, is to challenge the business motion. Technically, one is suppose...
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Parliamentary Time
Chris Ballance has two angles, as it were, on the issue.
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Parliamentary Time
Chris Ballance spoke up and some others in the bureau expressed some support for us, but it was clear to me and to Andrew Mylne, who came to the meeting as an observer, that we had to accept the fact that the majority was against us.So what, if anything, do we do about it? I f...
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Parliamentary Time
The next item is our review of parliamentary time. Members have a paper that contains the correspondence on the subject between the committee and the Parliamentary Bureau. The head of the chamber office wrote to us to say that the bureau was not minded to allow time for a deba...
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
We must acknowledge that a great deal of work goes into such documents. They cause great excitement for only one or two people outwith Parliament, but I am sure that they are very useful to the officials who keep our operations going. I thank Peter McGrath and Hugh Flinn for t...
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
I was thinking of the largest Opposition party.Are there any other points? Again, I must say that because it is the longest document, I might have read it less carefully than I did the other two, so I would like a little more time to read it. Is that all right, colleagues?Memb...
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
Some colleagues do get agitated about it.
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
The phrase "Sewel convention" comes first in the paragraph. Could the two sentences be rejigged slightly so that they show that, in the Scottish Parliament, the procedure is based on legislative consent motions that sprang from the Sewel convention and the Parliament doing its...
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
The members are correct. We did not quite sweat blood over it, but we did make quite a lot of effort to persuade our colleagues to adopt the phrase "legislative consent motion".
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
The wording is, in a sense, literally correct. We changed the expression "Sewel motion" to "legislative consent motion", but the Sewel convention is like the Hague convention, or some such treaty, in the way that it is named.
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
Is there anything in particular that should be drawn to our attention? Where are the bodies buried, so to speak?
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
The guidance seems to be fairly straightforward. As with the guidance on questions, if members have any afterthoughts on the document they can contact Hugh Flinn via Andrew Mylne.We move on to "Guidance on Public Bills", which is a larger document. I understand that the paragr...
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
I liked the Loch Ness monster motions in that particular section.I might be transgressing against my earlier comment that it is not up to us to change policy but, on members' business motions, paragraph 2.18.a at the top of page 7 says:"Motions will … have an explicit local or...
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
Andrew Mylne will also note for discussion of our legacy paper the point that members should have adequate time for reading such documents. In this case, we are nearing the end of the session, so our timetable is a bit tighter.We move on to the revised "Guidance on Motions". H...
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
If, when they have had a chance to read the document more carefully, members have any comments, should they send them to Andrew Mylne or to Hugh Flinn?
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
It was a fair comment.
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
I accept Chris Ballance's point—there is a lot of stuff to read—but our scrutiny does not need to be as precise as it normally is.
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
The volumes of draft guidance are not our papers. We are invited to cast an eye over them. I do not know whose documents they are. Do they belong to the chamber desk?
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
Do members have any questions or observations on the paper on oral questions? I know that the committee has spent many hours on the subject and that we all have our views. However, this is not the occasion on which to make suggestions for changes. We are considering whether th...
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
The change reflects the current system.
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
We will start with "Guidance on Parliamentary Questions", which I just happen to have in my hand, and which updates existing guidance. It is for internal use by clerks and other people who have to deal with these matters, but it is also available for MSPs and our friends outwi...
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
Will Peter McGrath tell us about the third volume?
The Convener: LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Guidance
We have three volumes of revised procedural guidance to consider. Hugh Flinn is here to tell us about one or two of them.
The Convener (Donald Gorrie): LD Committee
06 Mar 2007
Decision on Taking Business in Private
We will make a start. Bruce McFee has sent his apologies. We have to decide whether to discuss our legacy paper in private, as is normal for reports in progress. It will be published in due course anyway, so do members agree to discuss it in private?Members indicated agreement.
Donald Gorrie: LD Committee
27 Feb 2007
Complaint
I presume that we will seek a parliamentary debate as soon as possible.
Donald Gorrie: LD Committee
27 Feb 2007
Complaint
I draw the committee's attention to our most recent case—that of Mike Pringle—although there are obviously considerable differences of detail between the two cases. Most people felt that the penalty that was inflicted on Mr Pringle was commensurate with the seriousness of the ...
Donald Gorrie: LD Committee
27 Feb 2007
Annual Report
Okay.
Donald Gorrie: LD Committee
27 Feb 2007
Annual Report
The draft annual report does not mention the individual cases that we have dealt with. Should it do that—perhaps anonymously?
Donald Gorrie: LD Committee
27 Feb 2007
Code of Conduct
I am relaxed about whether the sections are called volumes or parts.I agree with Bill Butler that, when regional members take up cases, they should notify the constituency member. I use the etiquette that he suggested; I send a note to the constituency MSP when I pursue a matt...
Donald Gorrie: LD Committee
27 Feb 2007
Code of Conduct
What about "psalm"?
Donald Gorrie: LD Committee
27 Feb 2007
Code of Conduct
Okay. I made my point. I know that I made it rather late in the day, but if one thinks about such matters a great deal, one sometimes comes to a different conclusion. However, I am quite happy to go with colleagues' view.
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Chamber

Plenary, 28 Mar 2007

28 Mar 2007 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Airdrie-Bathgate Railway and Linked Improvements Bill
I congratulate the committee, which has clearly done a good job, and which, by studying the issues intensively, has done what committees are supposed to do. I congratulate the Executive—which I do not often do—and the Parliament on the positive attitude that we now have to rail infrastructure and improving rail services of all sorts. That contrasts with the situation in the mid-1980s. Various members have mentioned the opening of the passenger line between Edinburgh and Bathgate by Lothian Regional Council. Some of the people who were in favour of that have been mentioned. Obviously, some district councils and members of Parliament supported the proposal, but Lothian Regional Council drove the scheme. However, at that time, there was distinct scepticism about and hostility towards going for rail.

As a result of the curious way in which politics operates, no party on the council at the time had an overall majority. A proposal was produced for a road into Edinburgh, which was controversial, but, as part of the package, we achieved the reopening of the Edinburgh to Bathgate line for passengers, with a station at Livingston, the Livingston South station on the Shotts line and a station in Corstorphine, at South Gyle. The proposals were revolutionary because of the promotion of rail infrastructure, for which Lothian Regional Council deserves great credit. That is an example of the fact that, although in politics we have ever-changing coalitions, we do not need formal coalitions; we can have intelligent co-operation between parties. We could do a lot more of that in the Parliament.

We have come a long way and we now have a better attitude to rail. As members have said eloquently, the Airdrie to Bathgate line will be helpful. It is not simply about getting people from Airdrie into Edinburgh and people from Bathgate to Glasgow, although those features are important, especially for education and jobs. As members have said, developments in housing and job opportunities are taking place in North Lanarkshire and West Lothian. We can have better trade between the towns there. It is certainly a problem in central Scotland that, although the towns in the area between Edinburgh and Glasgow often have good transport links to Edinburgh or Glasgow, the links within the area are not good. We can build up a much better transport network in North Lanarkshire and West Lothian and so develop the prosperity of the towns there. The railway line will be useful.

I am not sure whether this will be my last effort at entertaining members. I am not into nostalgia, but I want to thank members. Everyone in the Parliament is genuinely doing their best and they all make good contributions in different ways. I would especially like to congratulate those colleagues in all parties who argue the argument and who do not make up for the lack of an argument with political, party or personal abuse. I value people who argue in what I regard as a civilised manner.

The Parliament has a lot to congratulate itself on, as does the Executive. We have done quite a lot of good things but there is still a huge amount to be done. There is still a lot wrong with Scotland, with the Executive and with the Parliament. Members who have the good fortune to be elected in future will have plenty of good things to do. My commiserations to those who will be leaving involuntarily, and my congratulations to the colleagues already mentioned who are leaving voluntarily.

I hope to pursue the issues that excite me from outwith the Parliament, so I am not making a retiral speech. I will merely be wearing a different hat in future.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid): NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S2M-5760, in the name of Phil Gallie, that the Parliament agrees that the Airdrie-Bathgate Railway and Linked...
Phil Gallie (South of Scotland) (Con): Con
How strange life can be: here we are debating legislation in a building that neither you, Presiding Officer, nor I wanted, in a Parliament that you fought fo...
Janis Hughes (Glasgow Rutherglen) (Lab): Lab
I thank Mr Gallie for taking an intervention. Does he agree that, although the Airdrie to Bathgate link will vastly improve rail services across that part of...
Phil Gallie: Con
I could not agree more with Janis Hughes. It is a pity that she will not be here to fight for crossrail in the next session of Parliament. I hope that the me...
The Minister for Transport (Tavish Scott): LD
Such a young Parliament, so many historic events. I pay tribute to Phil Gallie's years of public service. I understand that he was with Cunninghame District ...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness East, Nairn and Lochaber) (SNP): SNP
I, too, wish Phil Gallie well for the future. His was a voice that was always heard in this Parliament—albeit sometimes from a sedentary position. We never h...
The Presiding Officer: NPA
You have one minute.
Fergus Ewing: SNP
Thank you very much. I have no complaints about that whatsoever.The minister trespassed somewhat more widely than the confines of the Airdrie-Bathgate Railwa...
Mr David Davidson (North East Scotland) (Con): Con
Consensus is breaking out. I begin with the retiring members who have spoken today. Phil Gallie has been a quiet, mild-mannered man all the way through his p...
Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab): Lab
I am delighted that the last speech that I will make in this Parliament prior to dissolution is on the Airdrie to Bathgate rail line. Mary Mulligan, Bristow ...
Alex Neil (Central Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I agree with much of what the member says, but does she agree that it reinforces the lunacy of closing the accident and emergency department at Monklands hos...
Karen Whitefield: Lab
We are talking about a railway line today, and there will be more to discuss during the election campaign than accident and emergency services. However, my v...
Mark Ballard (Lothians) (Green): Green
Fergus Ewing and David Davidson began their speeches by talking about the consensus that has broken out in the chamber. When they are feeling so consensual, ...
Mrs Mary Mulligan (Linlithgow) (Lab): Lab
Like many members, I am delighted to have reached the final stage of the legislative process and I look forward to the reopening of the Airdrie to Bathgate l...
Phil Gallie: Con
I understand the point that Mary Mulligan makes about train companies not liking trains stopping. They think that too many stops reduce the number of custome...
Mrs Mulligan: Lab
Absolutely. I have always contended that, with a bit of imaginative thought, Network Rail could have planned a timetable that would have allowed that, partic...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP): SNP
On behalf of my constituents in the Lothians, I thank the committee for its diligence. It has served the people of West Lothian and Lanarkshire well in its d...
Jeremy Purvis (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD): LD
Did the shadow transport minister visit Plains as well?
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
I am sorry. I did not quite catch what the member said. It is important that we recognise—
Jeremy Purvis rose— LD
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
Sorry. I will give way.
Jeremy Purvis: LD
Did the shadow transport minister visit Plains as well?
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
I think that there is an outstanding invitation. I represent the Lothians. Not only did Fergus Ewing visit Blackridge, he visited the Avon gorge, which has o...
Jeremy Purvis (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD): LD
With regard to how strategic a view the Scottish National Party takes of this and other transport projects, the fact that the shadow transport minister visit...
Bristow Muldoon (Livingston) (Lab): Lab
I agree with many previous speakers, including Karen Whitefield and Mary Mulligan, that the project will bring economic, environmental, social and educationa...
Alex Neil (Central Scotland) (SNP): SNP
At the risk of repetition, I repeat what I said last week in the chamber: as a resident of Ayr, I vouch that Phil Gallie is the best member of Parliament tha...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab): Lab
Does the member agree that the line will also very much benefit the people of Coatbridge?
Alex Neil: SNP
Of course I do. Indeed, that will be a very important consideration, particularly over the next five weeks. This project, which will involve public sector in...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con): Con
I support this much-wanted bill, which provides for the reopening of the former Airdrie to Bathgate line by re-laying missing track between Bathgate and Drum...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD): LD
I congratulate the committee, which has clearly done a good job, and which, by studying the issues intensively, has done what committees are supposed to do. ...