Chamber
Plenary, 12 Jun 2008
12 Jun 2008 · S3 · Plenary
Item of business
Expenses Scheme
Does the member agree that the study that was carried out on behalf of the Langlands committee did not examine a representative sample of regional and constituency members? Does he support Tom McCabe's call for a further, more detailed and more comprehensive study to be undertaken?
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson):
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-2092, in the name of Tom McCabe, on the expenses scheme.
Tom McCabe (Hamilton South) (Lab):
Lab
I rise, on behalf of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body, to speak to the recommendations of an independent review panel on members' expenses.In light ...
Tricia Marwick (Central Fife) (SNP):
SNP
I record my thanks for the work of Sir Alan Langlands and the other members of the review panel, who presented us with a comprehensive report on a proposed n...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab):
Lab
Will the member give way?
Tricia Marwick:
SNP
I have very little time.It is worth recording that every member of the SPCB agreed that the Langlands report used figures at the 2007-08 level and that all f...
Michael McMahon (Hamilton North and Bellshill) (Lab):
Lab
Lyndon B Johnson once said:"You've got to work things out in the cloakroom. When you've got them worked out, you can debate a little before you vote."Today, ...
George Foulkes (Lothians) (Lab):
Lab
Does the member agree that the study that was carried out on behalf of the Langlands committee did not examine a representative sample of regional and consti...
Michael McMahon:
Lab
I agree with that. I was coming to that point.The point that has been made about parity is the same as arguing that a head of history and a head of physical ...
Gil Paterson (West of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
United we stand.
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
We do not need sedentary interventions between speeches, thank you.
Margo MacDonald (Lothians) (Ind):
Ind
I add my thanks to those that have already been recorded for the work that was done by the Langlands committee. My amendments rest on two propositions. The f...
Cathie Craigie:
Lab
Will the member give way?
Margo MacDonald:
Ind
I will establish the point and come back to the member.I agree completely with the report's identification of Sarah Boyack's office as the quality benchmark ...
Cathie Craigie:
Lab
Margo MacDonald says that the public do not care about the way in which members are elected. I suspect that she might be right in a way, but the fact is that...
Margo MacDonald:
Ind
With all due respect to the member, I do not think that that point is proved.In list members' offices, which have proportionately lower numbers of individual...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab):
Lab
My amendment does not seek to deny our staff appropriate salaries. Does Margo MacDonald therefore regret that the SPCB removed any reference to pay scales fo...
Margo MacDonald:
Ind
On the first point, I could not agree more: there should be salary scales. On the second point, I feel that the principle is either accepted or rejected. I r...
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
In closing, Ms MacDonald.
Margo MacDonald:
Ind
I feel that islands MSPs are particularly hard done to. I urge all my fellow members not to vote on party-political grounds. They should think of this as a P...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con):
Con
I will try to keep my speech brief. I speak in support of Tricia Marwick's amendment, but I approve of and support the vast majority of what Tom McCabe said....
Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD):
LD
Will the member take an intervention?
Alex Johnstone:
Con
No, thank you.The many members who have made representations on the need to ensure adequate office support have made good cases.Finally, I want to express an...
Ross Finnie (West of Scotland) (LD):
LD
I speak in a personal capacity. The Liberal Democrats believe that this is an important matter for Parliament to decide, so we will have a free vote.I will c...
Margo MacDonald:
Ind
Will the member give way?
Cathie Craigie:
Lab
Will the member give way?
Ross Finnie:
LD
Let me make this point. I do not doubt for a moment that casework is, or could be, an issue, but I find it incredible that the review panel found no other ma...
Cathie Craigie:
Lab
I accept that the inquiry was missing detailed information on that point, but I can give Ross Finnie an example. "The Code of Conduct for Members of the Scot...
Ross Finnie:
LD
I am sorry that Cathie Craigie is not listening. I have not disputed that casework is an issue; I am saying that casework is not the only issue in comparing ...
Margo MacDonald:
Ind
Will the member give way?
Ross Finnie:
LD
No.I thought that that was the review panel's remit, but it does not explain why, if it was so deficient in evidence, it did not pause for reflection and cal...