Chamber
Plenary, 26 Mar 2008
26 Mar 2008 · S3 · Plenary
Item of business
Health Care Associated Infection
Many members have talked about consensus, but consensus does not make the debate any less important—we should debate such issues.
The cabinet secretary mentioned the Western Isles hospital and I am pleased to have heard her announcement that it will form part of the screening pilot. The ethos at the Western Isles hospital is about infection control. When a person walks into the hospital, they hear a recorded message telling them to wash their hands if they have not already done so. They find hand-cleaning lotion for their use at the entrance to the ward and to the patient's room, and inside it at the foot of the bed, beside the patient notes, and by the wash-hand basin. The hospital strongly emphasises hand washing and informs patients, visitors and staff that they, too, should emphasise it. As I said, I am pleased that the Western Isles hospital is involved in the pilot. That demonstrates the effectiveness of the course of action that the hospital has taken. The pilot will also show any improvement that results from patients being screened before coming into hospital.
In many cases, it is too late to wait until someone has walked into a hospital to educate them on infection control. Patients are worried about their condition and what lies in store for them. Relatives, too, worry about what is happening to family members. That said, notices advising people to wash their hands are important. The Western Isles hospital displays them prominently. Other hospitals could learn from its example.
Hospitals have notices telling people not to sit on a patient's bed, but they do not tell people why they should not do that. We need a system that informs people about infection control long before they walk into a hospital, when they are feeling stressed because of what lies ahead for them, or their loved one.
Hand washing used to be taught in all schools. It then became part of community education, with notices posted in public places telling people to wash their hands. We need to return to those first principles on hand hygiene. We should mount a public information campaign to tell people why the rules have been put in place. People need to know about the importance of not sitting on a patient's bed, but on a chair, and of washing their hands before they visit the ward. Indeed, if someone is visiting more than one patient, they should be told about the importance of washing their hands between visits.
Advertising campaigns should be used to do that, given that they have been successful in the past. We also need to use the popular media. I am thinking of television programmes that highlight the health services, such as "Casualty" and Holby City" that have been used to put across good and important messages. We need to be told that it is everybody's responsibility to cut down on infection—staff, patients and visitors.
More public information is needed on the use of antibiotics, as many members have said. General practitioners are often pushed for time; they can come under a huge amount of pressure to prescribe antibiotics. Before patients go to their GP, it is important for them to be well informed about the ill effects of antibiotics on their health and that of others. We need to stop the over-prescribing of antibiotics, and responsibility for that lies not only with GPs but patients. Work also needs to be done on use of antibiotics in treating animals and, more generally, in farming. The impact of such use is not fully known, and it is an important source of antibiotic resistance.
We need also to counteract some of the scare stories that appear in the press on hospital-acquired infection. As other members have said, people can be reluctant to go into hospital because of the fear of catching an infection. It is also important that people understand the nature of the infections and where they arise. Hospital-acquired infections are obviously acquired in hospitals, but they do not always arise there; they can be brought into hospital.
We need to work with staff. I was interested to read the BMA briefing for the debate, which raised the importance of work clothing being designed with short sleeves and no ties. Perhaps it is time for us to look at the provision of uniforms for all staff. It is important for us to do so, given that the BMA has highlighted the issue. In the hospital pecking order, some staff wear uniforms and others do not.
The cabinet secretary mentioned the Western Isles hospital and I am pleased to have heard her announcement that it will form part of the screening pilot. The ethos at the Western Isles hospital is about infection control. When a person walks into the hospital, they hear a recorded message telling them to wash their hands if they have not already done so. They find hand-cleaning lotion for their use at the entrance to the ward and to the patient's room, and inside it at the foot of the bed, beside the patient notes, and by the wash-hand basin. The hospital strongly emphasises hand washing and informs patients, visitors and staff that they, too, should emphasise it. As I said, I am pleased that the Western Isles hospital is involved in the pilot. That demonstrates the effectiveness of the course of action that the hospital has taken. The pilot will also show any improvement that results from patients being screened before coming into hospital.
In many cases, it is too late to wait until someone has walked into a hospital to educate them on infection control. Patients are worried about their condition and what lies in store for them. Relatives, too, worry about what is happening to family members. That said, notices advising people to wash their hands are important. The Western Isles hospital displays them prominently. Other hospitals could learn from its example.
Hospitals have notices telling people not to sit on a patient's bed, but they do not tell people why they should not do that. We need a system that informs people about infection control long before they walk into a hospital, when they are feeling stressed because of what lies ahead for them, or their loved one.
Hand washing used to be taught in all schools. It then became part of community education, with notices posted in public places telling people to wash their hands. We need to return to those first principles on hand hygiene. We should mount a public information campaign to tell people why the rules have been put in place. People need to know about the importance of not sitting on a patient's bed, but on a chair, and of washing their hands before they visit the ward. Indeed, if someone is visiting more than one patient, they should be told about the importance of washing their hands between visits.
Advertising campaigns should be used to do that, given that they have been successful in the past. We also need to use the popular media. I am thinking of television programmes that highlight the health services, such as "Casualty" and Holby City" that have been used to put across good and important messages. We need to be told that it is everybody's responsibility to cut down on infection—staff, patients and visitors.
More public information is needed on the use of antibiotics, as many members have said. General practitioners are often pushed for time; they can come under a huge amount of pressure to prescribe antibiotics. Before patients go to their GP, it is important for them to be well informed about the ill effects of antibiotics on their health and that of others. We need to stop the over-prescribing of antibiotics, and responsibility for that lies not only with GPs but patients. Work also needs to be done on use of antibiotics in treating animals and, more generally, in farming. The impact of such use is not fully known, and it is an important source of antibiotic resistance.
We need also to counteract some of the scare stories that appear in the press on hospital-acquired infection. As other members have said, people can be reluctant to go into hospital because of the fear of catching an infection. It is also important that people understand the nature of the infections and where they arise. Hospital-acquired infections are obviously acquired in hospitals, but they do not always arise there; they can be brought into hospital.
We need to work with staff. I was interested to read the BMA briefing for the debate, which raised the importance of work clothing being designed with short sleeves and no ties. Perhaps it is time for us to look at the provision of uniforms for all staff. It is important for us to do so, given that the BMA has highlighted the issue. In the hospital pecking order, some staff wear uniforms and others do not.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson):
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-1621, in the name of Nicola Sturgeon, on the health care associated infection task force.
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing (Nicola Sturgeon):
SNP
I am pleased to open the debate and to present our ambitious new plans for tackling health care associated infection in Scotland during the next three years ...
Margaret Curran (Glasgow Baillieston) (Lab):
Lab
I emphasise how much we in the Labour Party welcome the debate. We acknowledge that our amendment will be accepted. I associate myself with many of the point...
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
I hope that I can reassure Margaret Curran that the investment that we have set aside for the next three years is 260 per cent higher than the investment ove...
Margaret Curran:
Lab
I will take that—graciously, I hope—as an indication of the cabinet secretary's commitment. However, as I understand it, England has prioritised the issue, a...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con):
Con
It is always good to follow the gracious Margaret Curran. The Conservatives welcome the debate on health care associated infection. We also welcome the inves...
Ross Finnie (West of Scotland) (LD):
LD
I do not discern—and I suspect that, by the end of the debate, I will not discern—any disagreement with the proposition that, because health care associated ...
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
I am pleased to intervene on that very serious point. I hope that the member will take some reassurance from my pronunciation of "coherence" during my speech...
Ross Finnie:
LD
I am greatly comforted. We must maintain standards in the chamber.Health care associated infection is a serious issue, and I welcome the debate. Margaret Cur...
Ian McKee (Lothians) (SNP):
SNP
We have heard a lot—and I am confident that we will hear a lot more as the debate progresses—about the virtues of cleanliness in preventing health care assoc...
Helen Eadie (Dunfermline East) (Lab):
Lab
I agree with Ross Finnie's suggestion that there is likely to be near unanimity on this vital issue. I welcome the cabinet secretary's announcements about th...
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
I am always happy to consider lessons from elsewhere, and I appreciate Helen Eadie's point, but I remind her that I mentioned our policy, which I launched ea...
Helen Eadie:
Lab
I am sorry that the cabinet secretary feels aggrieved, but if she had been listening she would know that I congratulated the Government on its screening init...
Michael Matheson (Falkirk West) (SNP):
SNP
I welcome the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing's statement. In the spirit of consensus, I acknowledge the work that the previous Labour and Liberal...
Irene Oldfather (Cunninghame South) (Lab):
Lab
I welcome the commitment that the cabinet secretary has made and the opportunity that the debate gives us to consider how we can reduce the risk of contracti...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con):
Con
This debate on dealing with health care associated infections is extremely important. However, I cannot help feeling sad that the reputation of a health serv...
James Kelly (Glasgow Rutherglen) (Lab):
Lab
I welcome the opportunity to take part in this afternoon's debate on health care associated infections. I endorse the cabinet secretary's announcement and, o...
Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP):
SNP
The cabinet secretary is to be congratulated on this initiative. As the Labour amendment states, the previous Government is to be commended for the establish...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab):
Lab
Many members have talked about consensus, but consensus does not make the debate any less important—we should debate such issues.The cabinet secretary mentio...
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
Rhoda Grant makes an important point. It may be of interest to her and other members to know that we are working with the trade unions on a national uniform ...
Rhoda Grant:
Lab
Yes. I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for that information. The BMA position shows that doctors have the will and wish to see the proposal progressed.W...
Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD):
LD
I agree with nearly everything that has been said in this worthwhile debate. The unanimity of the message will be encouraging to patients and health professi...
Jackson Carlaw (West of Scotland) (Con):
Con
We welcome all that Nicola Sturgeon has said today in her speech and her interventions, including the MRSA pilot that she announced, in what has been a usefu...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab):
Lab
As all other members who have spoken have said, the debate has been consensual, informed and of a high standard. As Jamie Stone said, that should give comfor...
Nanette Milne:
Con
My point was that it does not matter who actually does the cleaning. What is important is the supervision of a high standard of cleaning.
Dr Simpson:
Lab
I hate to say this, but I could tell Nanette Milne numerous stories of when contract cleaners have come in, done their bit and gone away, leaving the questio...
The Minister for Public Health (Shona Robison):
SNP
I have listened with interest to this constructive, stimulating and wide-ranging debate, which has served as a stark reminder that the Scottish Government an...