Chamber
Plenary, 26 Mar 2008
26 Mar 2008 · S3 · Plenary
Item of business
Health Care Associated Infection
I welcome the opportunity to take part in this afternoon's debate on health care associated infections. I endorse the cabinet secretary's announcement and, obviously, I support the Labour amendment.
There is no doubt that HAIs are a serious issue. The human impact of such infections, which Margaret Curran mentioned, was driven home to me earlier this week when I read an obituary in The Herald for Drummond Hart, who was a hospital consultant. I did not know anything about Drummond Hart beforehand but he was clearly an active man who was successful professionally and had many interests in life. Sadly, in his last five years, he was wheelchair bound after he contracted MRSA while in hospital for an operation on his spine. That shows the indiscriminate nature of MRSA and how it can strike innocent people. People enter hospital looking to be cured of their illnesses; they do not expect to leave with an illness that they did not have when they went in. That shows the seriousness of the task that the Government faces.
The cabinet secretary spoke about the costs and strains that MRSA imposes on the health budget. This year's health budget of £10.25 billion is targeted mainly at heart disease, cancer and strokes. However, MRSA results in more people being admitted to hospitals, which imposes greater strain on the health service and its budget and diverts resources from the main health issues that the Government and the service are trying to tackle. Addressing health care associated infection is not only right but, hopefully, will lead in the long run to a healthier Scotland and more efficient use of the health budget.
I support the publication of the delivery plan and many of the measures that it contains, which build on the work of the previous Executive. Like other members, I welcome the publication of the MRSA screening programme. Much can be done to track the programme and lessons can be learned from it, to ensure that we have in place an effective plan to combat MRSA.
I reiterate the comments that many members have made about hand hygiene. It seems basic, but poor hand hygiene is one of the major causes of the spread of infection in hospitals. I agree with Michael Matheson that we need to put across a consistent message throughout the country, in all health boards, to ensure that people take hand hygiene seriously and that we meet the hand hygiene compliance target of 90 per cent that has been set. Audits can be an effective way of measuring progress towards the target and of learning positive lessons.
Local campaigns are also important. The NHS is a big organisation; even boards cover large areas. It is important that we get down to the grass roots of the NHS, through local campaigns to put across the key messages in tackling the spread of infection. Education is important in that regard. The necessary staff must be in place in boards and we must work closely with the trade unions and patient groups such as the Scottish patient safety alliance.
I reiterate my colleague Helen Eadie's comments on the importance of in-house cleaning services. We should work towards establishing a presumption in favour of such services.
The Labour amendment refers to care homes, about which Mary Scanlon and Irene Oldfather made good points. I pay tribute to both members for their excellent record of promoting investment in care homes. Patients in such homes are less able than patients in other parts of the NHS to look after themselves, so they are potentially more vulnerable to the spread of diseases such as MRSA. I welcome the positive announcements that the cabinet secretary has made on the issue.
This has been a good debate, although it has not evoked much interest in the press gallery, which is empty. Parliament has an important role to play on the issue. As Ross Finnie said, it is important that there should be accountability on both the delivery plan and the action plan. I look forward to the cabinet secretary giving us regular updates on those.
Health care associated infection is a serious problem that affects communities and families throughout Scotland. Today there has been much agreement on the issue across the chamber. I am sure that Scotland will watch closely as we seek to continue to make progress towards making our hospitals and care homes free from infection.
There is no doubt that HAIs are a serious issue. The human impact of such infections, which Margaret Curran mentioned, was driven home to me earlier this week when I read an obituary in The Herald for Drummond Hart, who was a hospital consultant. I did not know anything about Drummond Hart beforehand but he was clearly an active man who was successful professionally and had many interests in life. Sadly, in his last five years, he was wheelchair bound after he contracted MRSA while in hospital for an operation on his spine. That shows the indiscriminate nature of MRSA and how it can strike innocent people. People enter hospital looking to be cured of their illnesses; they do not expect to leave with an illness that they did not have when they went in. That shows the seriousness of the task that the Government faces.
The cabinet secretary spoke about the costs and strains that MRSA imposes on the health budget. This year's health budget of £10.25 billion is targeted mainly at heart disease, cancer and strokes. However, MRSA results in more people being admitted to hospitals, which imposes greater strain on the health service and its budget and diverts resources from the main health issues that the Government and the service are trying to tackle. Addressing health care associated infection is not only right but, hopefully, will lead in the long run to a healthier Scotland and more efficient use of the health budget.
I support the publication of the delivery plan and many of the measures that it contains, which build on the work of the previous Executive. Like other members, I welcome the publication of the MRSA screening programme. Much can be done to track the programme and lessons can be learned from it, to ensure that we have in place an effective plan to combat MRSA.
I reiterate the comments that many members have made about hand hygiene. It seems basic, but poor hand hygiene is one of the major causes of the spread of infection in hospitals. I agree with Michael Matheson that we need to put across a consistent message throughout the country, in all health boards, to ensure that people take hand hygiene seriously and that we meet the hand hygiene compliance target of 90 per cent that has been set. Audits can be an effective way of measuring progress towards the target and of learning positive lessons.
Local campaigns are also important. The NHS is a big organisation; even boards cover large areas. It is important that we get down to the grass roots of the NHS, through local campaigns to put across the key messages in tackling the spread of infection. Education is important in that regard. The necessary staff must be in place in boards and we must work closely with the trade unions and patient groups such as the Scottish patient safety alliance.
I reiterate my colleague Helen Eadie's comments on the importance of in-house cleaning services. We should work towards establishing a presumption in favour of such services.
The Labour amendment refers to care homes, about which Mary Scanlon and Irene Oldfather made good points. I pay tribute to both members for their excellent record of promoting investment in care homes. Patients in such homes are less able than patients in other parts of the NHS to look after themselves, so they are potentially more vulnerable to the spread of diseases such as MRSA. I welcome the positive announcements that the cabinet secretary has made on the issue.
This has been a good debate, although it has not evoked much interest in the press gallery, which is empty. Parliament has an important role to play on the issue. As Ross Finnie said, it is important that there should be accountability on both the delivery plan and the action plan. I look forward to the cabinet secretary giving us regular updates on those.
Health care associated infection is a serious problem that affects communities and families throughout Scotland. Today there has been much agreement on the issue across the chamber. I am sure that Scotland will watch closely as we seek to continue to make progress towards making our hospitals and care homes free from infection.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson):
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-1621, in the name of Nicola Sturgeon, on the health care associated infection task force.
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing (Nicola Sturgeon):
SNP
I am pleased to open the debate and to present our ambitious new plans for tackling health care associated infection in Scotland during the next three years ...
Margaret Curran (Glasgow Baillieston) (Lab):
Lab
I emphasise how much we in the Labour Party welcome the debate. We acknowledge that our amendment will be accepted. I associate myself with many of the point...
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
I hope that I can reassure Margaret Curran that the investment that we have set aside for the next three years is 260 per cent higher than the investment ove...
Margaret Curran:
Lab
I will take that—graciously, I hope—as an indication of the cabinet secretary's commitment. However, as I understand it, England has prioritised the issue, a...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con):
Con
It is always good to follow the gracious Margaret Curran. The Conservatives welcome the debate on health care associated infection. We also welcome the inves...
Ross Finnie (West of Scotland) (LD):
LD
I do not discern—and I suspect that, by the end of the debate, I will not discern—any disagreement with the proposition that, because health care associated ...
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
I am pleased to intervene on that very serious point. I hope that the member will take some reassurance from my pronunciation of "coherence" during my speech...
Ross Finnie:
LD
I am greatly comforted. We must maintain standards in the chamber.Health care associated infection is a serious issue, and I welcome the debate. Margaret Cur...
Ian McKee (Lothians) (SNP):
SNP
We have heard a lot—and I am confident that we will hear a lot more as the debate progresses—about the virtues of cleanliness in preventing health care assoc...
Helen Eadie (Dunfermline East) (Lab):
Lab
I agree with Ross Finnie's suggestion that there is likely to be near unanimity on this vital issue. I welcome the cabinet secretary's announcements about th...
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
I am always happy to consider lessons from elsewhere, and I appreciate Helen Eadie's point, but I remind her that I mentioned our policy, which I launched ea...
Helen Eadie:
Lab
I am sorry that the cabinet secretary feels aggrieved, but if she had been listening she would know that I congratulated the Government on its screening init...
Michael Matheson (Falkirk West) (SNP):
SNP
I welcome the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing's statement. In the spirit of consensus, I acknowledge the work that the previous Labour and Liberal...
Irene Oldfather (Cunninghame South) (Lab):
Lab
I welcome the commitment that the cabinet secretary has made and the opportunity that the debate gives us to consider how we can reduce the risk of contracti...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con):
Con
This debate on dealing with health care associated infections is extremely important. However, I cannot help feeling sad that the reputation of a health serv...
James Kelly (Glasgow Rutherglen) (Lab):
Lab
I welcome the opportunity to take part in this afternoon's debate on health care associated infections. I endorse the cabinet secretary's announcement and, o...
Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP):
SNP
The cabinet secretary is to be congratulated on this initiative. As the Labour amendment states, the previous Government is to be commended for the establish...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab):
Lab
Many members have talked about consensus, but consensus does not make the debate any less important—we should debate such issues.The cabinet secretary mentio...
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
Rhoda Grant makes an important point. It may be of interest to her and other members to know that we are working with the trade unions on a national uniform ...
Rhoda Grant:
Lab
Yes. I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for that information. The BMA position shows that doctors have the will and wish to see the proposal progressed.W...
Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD):
LD
I agree with nearly everything that has been said in this worthwhile debate. The unanimity of the message will be encouraging to patients and health professi...
Jackson Carlaw (West of Scotland) (Con):
Con
We welcome all that Nicola Sturgeon has said today in her speech and her interventions, including the MRSA pilot that she announced, in what has been a usefu...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab):
Lab
As all other members who have spoken have said, the debate has been consensual, informed and of a high standard. As Jamie Stone said, that should give comfor...
Nanette Milne:
Con
My point was that it does not matter who actually does the cleaning. What is important is the supervision of a high standard of cleaning.
Dr Simpson:
Lab
I hate to say this, but I could tell Nanette Milne numerous stories of when contract cleaners have come in, done their bit and gone away, leaving the questio...
The Minister for Public Health (Shona Robison):
SNP
I have listened with interest to this constructive, stimulating and wide-ranging debate, which has served as a stark reminder that the Scottish Government an...