Chamber
Plenary, 01 Nov 2001
01 Nov 2001 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Teaching and Research Funding (Scottish Higher Education Funding Council Review)
As many members have said, education and research are becoming ever more important to Scotland and its economy. It is vital that the organisation and funding of teaching and research are responsive to the needs of today and tomorrow and that, in its plans, SHEFC is able to demonstrate clear support for the review. However, that has not been the case.
Scotland has a good international track record in research. For example, the University of Aberdeen undertakes groundbreaking work in telemedicine and RGU does so in renewable energies and oil and gas engineering technologies. The situation is similar in many institutions throughout Scotland. Scotland receives more research funding than might be expected—some 11 per cent of UK funding, rather than the 9 per cent that would be expected per capita. That demonstrates the excellence of a lot of Scottish research. It is right that bidding for research funding should be competitive. Scottish science needs to compete on UK and international levels.
The committee has therefore largely supported the current RAE system for the assessment of research. However, as we develop our knowledge economy, we will need research that supports that development. Commercialisation is a key part of Scotland's future. It is right to question whether the number of published papers should be the main or only criterion for the assessment of research, and whether we should not give equal weight to such things as the numbers of patents that are registered and the creation of spin-off companies. A clearer focus is required from the universities on the needs of the economy. We have said that, when universities benefit from RAE funding, they should also demonstrate the benefits of that research to the economy.
Scotland's new universities are often focused more on applied research and areas that support industries such as the oil and gas industry, which was discussed earlier. We must ensure that those universities receive adequate funding for that research, even though that research is at level 3. I find it encouraging that the quality of research is constantly improving, as universities produce more and better research. That puts pressure on funding. We must ensure that all sources of funding—whether private or public—are identified and that we grow the total research and development pot.
Some partnerships to develop innovative research have been established in areas of commercialisation, such as the Alba Centre and the Institute of System Level Integration. Other areas, such as the oil and gas industry and biotechnology, would benefit from that approach. The oil and gas industry is a major industry in Scotland and it is extremely important. Its future in the UK depends on several factors, the first of which is having skilled people. Another critical factor is constant technological innovation, whether in reservoir management or sub-sea engineering.
Scotland has a good international track record in research. For example, the University of Aberdeen undertakes groundbreaking work in telemedicine and RGU does so in renewable energies and oil and gas engineering technologies. The situation is similar in many institutions throughout Scotland. Scotland receives more research funding than might be expected—some 11 per cent of UK funding, rather than the 9 per cent that would be expected per capita. That demonstrates the excellence of a lot of Scottish research. It is right that bidding for research funding should be competitive. Scottish science needs to compete on UK and international levels.
The committee has therefore largely supported the current RAE system for the assessment of research. However, as we develop our knowledge economy, we will need research that supports that development. Commercialisation is a key part of Scotland's future. It is right to question whether the number of published papers should be the main or only criterion for the assessment of research, and whether we should not give equal weight to such things as the numbers of patents that are registered and the creation of spin-off companies. A clearer focus is required from the universities on the needs of the economy. We have said that, when universities benefit from RAE funding, they should also demonstrate the benefits of that research to the economy.
Scotland's new universities are often focused more on applied research and areas that support industries such as the oil and gas industry, which was discussed earlier. We must ensure that those universities receive adequate funding for that research, even though that research is at level 3. I find it encouraging that the quality of research is constantly improving, as universities produce more and better research. That puts pressure on funding. We must ensure that all sources of funding—whether private or public—are identified and that we grow the total research and development pot.
Some partnerships to develop innovative research have been established in areas of commercialisation, such as the Alba Centre and the Institute of System Level Integration. Other areas, such as the oil and gas industry and biotechnology, would benefit from that approach. The oil and gas industry is a major industry in Scotland and it is extremely important. Its future in the UK depends on several factors, the first of which is having skilled people. Another critical factor is constant technological innovation, whether in reservoir management or sub-sea engineering.
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Lab
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