Chamber
Plenary, 01 Nov 2001
01 Nov 2001 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Teaching and Research Funding (Scottish Higher Education Funding Council Review)
It will come as a surprise to the members present that I am on my feet at all in the debate. What has happened is that Mr George Lyon has been closely involved in the purchase of Gigha, by which I do not mean leather trousers or a stud in his lug but an island. Unfortunately, he missed his ferry. It is an object lesson in the advantages of not being around the chamber before a debate about which one knows precisely nothing. However, I was caught by the enforcers and told that I had to lead for the Liberal Democrats.
I accidentally put on this tie, from my old academic institution, this morning. The University of St Andrews would fall about with laughter if it heard me talking about higher education. I had occasion to meet my second-year tutor, Professor Crawford, in later life. Twenty years on, he did not recognise me and said, "Funny you're a Stone. I had a student called Stone once who was among the worst I've ever had." I disabused him of that notion when I said, "That was me, Professor Crawford."
It would be wrong of me not to mention the UHI in the debate. It is an innovative move. By bringing people together through distance learning and by keeping young people in their homes or their home areas, it makes a huge contribution. I was talking to Alasdair Morrison earlier about a conference that was held recently in Stornoway, where representatives of no fewer than 16 nations gathered to share and exchange ideas. It was a two-way process. I encourage the minister to do everything she can to build on the good work that has already been done.
Research has been mentioned. The ability to carry out research is a great resource in our universities. While it is all fine and dandy to translate the diaries of Charles I or consider the subatomic structure of atoms, it would be good if higher education institutions could conduct research into some of the things that we already have. In renewables, for instance, useful work has been done that could be built on, which would help Government. We could harness the energy from the whole heap of ability out there. Such ability could work with the Scottish Executive and help many of us in what we are trying to do in our constituencies. For example, useful work is being done in Shetland on fisheries, but that could be built on further. That would be of assistance to ministers in the Scottish Executive.
One thinks of agriculture and crofting. Further work could be carried out on ways to diversify and make those industries more profitable and more likely to survive—that would help Ross Finnie. One thinks of genealogy. How often do we in the Highlands meet people who have come from the United States or Canada and wish to know who their forebears were? If work could be done on establishing databases, and on new ways of researching genealogy and getting into parish records, there would be something there. In the wider sense, it is about our heritage.
Research can be used to measure what we have and the means by which we can represent ourselves abroad. We can build up a resource out of that research that can be used to sell Scotland the product and get tourists to come to Scotland. I make no apologies for the mercenary point I am making. The research, if directed into such constructive attitudes—and indeed into the diversity of Scotland—can be used to our economic good.
It has been rightly said that the linkage between the private sector and research is not what it should be. David Mundell referred to that. Many years ago, I worked for Wimpey, whose research was lamentable. I then moved to an American corporation, Bechtel, which was significantly further ahead.
I accidentally put on this tie, from my old academic institution, this morning. The University of St Andrews would fall about with laughter if it heard me talking about higher education. I had occasion to meet my second-year tutor, Professor Crawford, in later life. Twenty years on, he did not recognise me and said, "Funny you're a Stone. I had a student called Stone once who was among the worst I've ever had." I disabused him of that notion when I said, "That was me, Professor Crawford."
It would be wrong of me not to mention the UHI in the debate. It is an innovative move. By bringing people together through distance learning and by keeping young people in their homes or their home areas, it makes a huge contribution. I was talking to Alasdair Morrison earlier about a conference that was held recently in Stornoway, where representatives of no fewer than 16 nations gathered to share and exchange ideas. It was a two-way process. I encourage the minister to do everything she can to build on the good work that has already been done.
Research has been mentioned. The ability to carry out research is a great resource in our universities. While it is all fine and dandy to translate the diaries of Charles I or consider the subatomic structure of atoms, it would be good if higher education institutions could conduct research into some of the things that we already have. In renewables, for instance, useful work has been done that could be built on, which would help Government. We could harness the energy from the whole heap of ability out there. Such ability could work with the Scottish Executive and help many of us in what we are trying to do in our constituencies. For example, useful work is being done in Shetland on fisheries, but that could be built on further. That would be of assistance to ministers in the Scottish Executive.
One thinks of agriculture and crofting. Further work could be carried out on ways to diversify and make those industries more profitable and more likely to survive—that would help Ross Finnie. One thinks of genealogy. How often do we in the Highlands meet people who have come from the United States or Canada and wish to know who their forebears were? If work could be done on establishing databases, and on new ways of researching genealogy and getting into parish records, there would be something there. In the wider sense, it is about our heritage.
Research can be used to measure what we have and the means by which we can represent ourselves abroad. We can build up a resource out of that research that can be used to sell Scotland the product and get tourists to come to Scotland. I make no apologies for the mercenary point I am making. The research, if directed into such constructive attitudes—and indeed into the diversity of Scotland—can be used to our economic good.
It has been rightly said that the linkage between the private sector and research is not what it should be. David Mundell referred to that. Many years ago, I worked for Wimpey, whose research was lamentable. I then moved to an American corporation, Bechtel, which was significantly further ahead.
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Mr Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD):
LD
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Mr Brian Monteith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):
Con
Will Mr Stone accept an intervention?
Mr Stone:
LD
Gladly. I have to use up some time.
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Con
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LD
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Lab
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Lab
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SNP
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Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
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Lab
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Mr Andrew Welsh (Angus) (SNP):
SNP
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Miss Annabel Goldie (West of Scotland) (Con):
Con
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Lab
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Brian Adam:
SNP
Will the member give way?