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Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
As Willie Rennie referred to, the report by Professor Sir Ian Boyd will be shared publicly, alongside SRUC’s response, after its board meeting later this month. As Willie Rennie will do, the Government and I will consider that report carefully. I look forward to engaging with ...
Willie Rennie (Fife North East) (LD) LD Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
The minister will know that Professor Sir Ian Boyd has been commissioned by the board of SRUC to produce a report into the future of the institution in north-east Fife and Cupar for the longer term—a vision that has been long awaited. That report has now been handed over to th...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
I will take a supplementary question from Willie Rennie.
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
I thank Michelle Campbell for her kind words, and I welcome her to the chamber. I would simply emphasise that she raises important points that are relevant both to the two colleges that she mentioned, which are either in her constituency or serve her constituents, and to SRUC,...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
That is a little bit off the main question. Minister, do you wish to respond?
Michelle Campbell (Renfrewshire North and Cardonald) (SNP) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
First and foremost, I thank the minister for his dedication to this area. I am glad to see him return as the minister.The sustainability of Scotland’s college sector is vital in strengthening our skilled workforce and supporting our young people into positive destinations. I h...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
I will take a supplementary question from Michelle Campbell.
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
I refer to my first answer, but I recognise the importance of the Elmwood campus and that consideration of its future is relevant to skills provision, which was raised by the member, and the local community. If the member wants to write to me with feedback from their engagemen...
Julie MacDougall Reform Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
I have recently met farmers across the region who are seriously concerned about the lack of available opportunities for the next generation of skilled rural workers. Courses covering horticulture, animal care and green-keeping were unique local offerings at Elmwood. If Elmwood...
The Minister for Innovation, Technology and Tertiary Education (Ben Macpherson) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
I thank Julie MacDougall for raising this important issue. Although SRUC is an autonomous institution with responsibility for its own decisions in relation to provision and facilities at Elmwood, I would expect it to take into account the needs of students, staff and the wider...
Julie MacDougall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Reform) Reform Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
To ask the Scottish Government whether it will provide an update regarding the future of the Elmwood campus of Scotland’s Rural College in Cupar. (S7O-00052)
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · NHS Tayside (Recruitment Freeze)
We are committed to building on progress. There is always more to do. Since July last year, long waits have fallen significantly, with new out-patient waits of more than a year down by 76 per cent and in-patient day-case waits of more than a year down by almost half. That has ...
Heather Anderson (Dundee City West) (SNP) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · NHS Tayside (Recruitment Freeze)
I thank Mr Marra for his interest in waiting times across NHS Tayside, and I share some of his concerns. However, I am very conscious that the Scottish National Party Government has achieved month-on-month reductions in waiting times for 11 months in a row. I would appreciate ...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · NHS Tayside (Recruitment Freeze)
I very much appreciate Mr Marra’s concern, even if I nonetheless believe that it is somewhat misplaced. He might be relieved to know that NHS Tayside is making very clear progress in specialties including gynaecology, for example, where the number of people waiting has reduced...
Michael Marra Lab Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · NHS Tayside (Recruitment Freeze)
I find deeply disappointing the idea that the Government does not have any position on a recruitment freeze in NHS Tayside for critical posts involved in care. The cabinet secretary should know that there are significant delays—for instance, in gynaecological care and women’s ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Care (Angela Constance) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · NHS Tayside (Recruitment Freeze)
The Scottish Government leads on the co-ordination of national activity designed to grow and retain the national health service workforce in line with service need. Decisions on the staffing of individual services are matters for health boards, which should ensure that they ha...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · NHS Tayside (Recruitment Freeze)
To ask the Scottish Government what assessment it has made of any impact of NHS Tayside’s recruitment freeze on patient care and waiting times across Dundee and the wider Tayside region. (S7O-00051)
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Barra and Vatersay Community Campus
I underlined our commitment in my first answer: we are working closely with partners, as the majority funder, and we will consider the business case through a robust assurance and approval process once it is submitted.Let us not look back—let us look forward and work together....
Donald MacKinnon Lab Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Barra and Vatersay Community Campus
I plan to be in Barra tomorrow. Can the minister give me a timeline for the delivery of the long-promised campus project so that I can give my constituents in Barra the reassurance that it will finally become a reality?
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Barra and Vatersay Community Campus
Please ask a question.
Donald MacKinnon Lab Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Barra and Vatersay Community Campus
Although I welcome the minister’s commitment to the project, it is now 20 years since it was acknowledged that St Brendan’s hospital was in need of replacement. The people of Barra and Vatersay have had to deal with repeated false starts, delays and broken promises in that tim...
The Minister for Innovation, Technology and Tertiary Education (Ben Macpherson) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Barra and Vatersay Community Campus
I welcome Donald MacKinnon to the chamber. I look forward to working constructively with him and I pay tribute to his predecessor, Alasdair Allan.In answer to his important question, the Barra and Vatersay community campus project was included in our programme for government, ...
Donald MacKinnon (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (Lab) Lab Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Barra and Vatersay Community Campus
To ask the Scottish Government whether it will provide an update on the current status of the Barra and Vatersay community campus project. (S7O-00050)
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Patient Waiting Times (Moray)
Orthopaedics remains a priority as we continue to focus on the reduction of long waits, which means that in-patient and day-case waits of more than 52 weeks have reduced by almost half. We are also increasing orthopaedics capacity through our national treatment centres, includ...
Laura Mitchell SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Patient Waiting Times (Moray)
I recognise the progress that has been made in recent months to tackle the longest waits for secondary-care patients. However, I have been contacted by several constituents who continue to face lengthy waiting times for orthopaedic surgery. Will the Scottish Government set out...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Care (Angela Constance) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Patient Waiting Times (Moray)
My commitment to tackle long waits is unwavering. To date this year, we have invested an additional £100 million to increase capacity and support boards, including NHS Grampian, to build on the progress that we have made in reducing long waits. We have made real and sustained ...
Laura Mitchell (Moray) (SNP) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Patient Waiting Times (Moray)
To ask the Scottish Government what action it is taking to reduce waiting times for patients in Moray. (S7O-00049)
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time
The first item of business is general question time. In order to get in as many people as possible, I would prefer short and succinct questions and answers to match.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
Thank you, cabinet secretary. That concludes the debate, and—this is my first time saying this—I close this meeting.Meeting closed at 18:45.
Màiri McAllan SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
It is right to say that, with any kind of disruption—even when Glasgow’s streets are being showcased in international film and TV—we must be considerate of businesses. I am always interested in hearing about ways in which we can do that better.However, there is another angle t...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I very much share the sentiments of the cabinet secretary and, indeed, all members who have spoken in the debate. However, I want to sound a note of caution in relation to the frequent closure of streets in Glasgow. We know that Glasgow is a very Atlantic-oriented city that of...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education, Culture and Gaelic (Màiri McAllan) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I thank and congratulate Alyn Smith for securing this member’s business debate, and I also thank members for their speeches. As Stephen Kerr has just reflected, this debate has been positive, and it has given all members—including me, as the new Cabinet Secretary for Education...
Stephen Kerr Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I thought that he gave a very good speech. I think that we are aligned on the idea about brass nameplates. It is important that we extract investment into Scotland. We both live in a place that is benefiting from inward investment and the exciting future that Stirling has in t...
Alyn Smith SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
Such as it is. Laughter.
Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I enjoyed the debate and all the speeches; what a contrast from the previous couple of hours. I congratulate Alyn Smith on securing the motion for his first members’ business debate. I hope that this does not destroy his credibility with his colleagues—
Jenni Minto (Argyll and Bute) (SNP) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
Meal do naidheachd—congratulations—to my colleague Alyn Smith on securing this members’ business debate on the importance of the screen industry in Scotland.As members will know, I believe that my constituency is Scotland’s most beautiful, because of its land and seascape and ...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I congratulate Alyn Smith on securing the debate. I am pleased to speak in support of the motion and to recognise the work of Screen Scotland and the wider screen sector, particularly in creating opportunities for new talent. The fact that, 31 years ago, its closest predecesso...
Q Manivannan Green Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I should say that that filming is happening during recess, so I will let the programme makers know that I am available if they need me. My office will be in touch. I have also been informed that I have a passing resemblance, when the right lighting hits me, to Ben Whishaw and ...
The Minister for Innovation, Technology and Tertiary Education (Ben Macpherson) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
Considering the points that Q Manivannan has made, will they also share my praise for the programme and celebrate the fact that a second series of “Dept Q” is being filmed on the north-eastern side of Edinburgh, which is creating opportunities and showcasing more of Scotland t...
Q Manivannan (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Green) Green Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I thank Alyn Smith for securing this debate. I shall begin with a wee bit of a disclosure. I have been informed of a television show called “Dept Q”, which was filmed in and is set in Edinburgh, but it has nothing to do with my office. I was not consulted or invited to auditio...
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I thank Alyn Smith for securing this debate. The motion recognises something that is truly worth celebrating—Scotland’s screen sector is growing and it is doing so in places that we might not expect, such as Kirkcaldy and across Fife, where creative ambition, technical skill a...
Michael Marra Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I absolutely agree with Mr Melville, and he is right to highlight the cinema in Arbroath. I also point to the independent cinema in Montrose, which is supported by the local port authority on a sponsorship model; it helps to provide the facilities through the funding that it g...
Lloyd Melville (Angus South) (SNP) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
Mr Marra and I represent the north-east of Scotland, so we also represent the Chalmers cinema in Arbroath. Does he agree that it is incumbent on all of us who want Scotland's screen sector to progress to support independent cinemas by watching films there as often as possible?
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I thank Alyn Smith for bringing the debate to the chamber; it is very welcome. As he outlined, the screen sector is very important for the whole of Scotland, and he rightly highlighted his own constituency’s particular assets in that respect.The sector makes a significant cont...
Alyn Smith (Stirling) (SNP) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I am delighted to lead my first members’ business debate in the chamber on a subject of great importance not just to Stirling, but to Scotland and, indeed, to all of our constituencies and constituents. It is a success story, and something for us to celebrate, because we are a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S7M-00188, in the name of Alyn Smith, on growing Scotland’s screen sector. The debate will be concluded without any question being put.I call Alyn Smith to open the debate.Motion debated,That the Parliament wel...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
That concludes decision time.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, as amended, is: For 71, Against 50, Abstentions 0.Motion, as amended, agreed to,That the Parliament believes there is a need to restore publi...
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
Joe Long (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I was unable to vote. I would have voted no.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government (Jenny Gilruth) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My app would not connect. I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The final question is, that motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.3, in the name of Russell Findlay, is: For 53, Against 70, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAhmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)Bannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Baxter, Andrew (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (LD)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bibby, Neil...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00294.3, in the name of Russell Findlay, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.2, in the name of Ross Greer, is: For 70, Against 53, Abstentions 0.Amendment agreed to.
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Chamber

Plenary, 07 Mar 2001

07 Mar 2001 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Regulation of Care (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Robison, Shona SNP North East Scotland Watch on SPTV
On behalf of the Scottish National Party, I welcome the Regulation of Care (Scotland) Bill. I also welcome the fact that the headquarters of the new Scottish commission for the regulation of care and the Scottish social services council will be based in Dundee, which is an excellent choice.

There are high hopes that the bill will lead to major improvements in our care services through effective and consistent regulation as a result of the establishment of the Scottish commission for the regulation of care and the strengthening of user and carer involvement in care delivery, standards setting and regulation. Of equal importance is the establishment of the Scottish social services council to register care staff and promote high standards of conduct and practice among the work force and to ensure that they receive high standards of education and training; the quality of social work services depends greatly on the quality of staff.

Why are the changes necessary? The current system of inspecting and registering care services is inconsistent and depends on the type of care establishment. Responsibility is divided between health boards and local authorities. Many services are not formally regulated at all. The Minister for Health and Community Care alluded to some of them. I am particularly pleased that day care and home care services will be brought into a regulatory framework. It will be interesting to see how we manage to regulate and inspect home care services with sensitivity, given that that will be done in people's homes, but I am sure that it will be achieved.

Local authorities inspect many of their own services. That is not satisfactory; a conflict of interest can arise. The lack of integration has made it difficult for residential and nursing care services to be provided in one establishment, which means upheaval for elderly people as their needs change and they have to move to another establishment. A single category of care home will end that disruption.

At present, no system is in place for the regulation of those who work in social work. That must be changed. Over the years, the vast majority of staff in social work have done a marvellous job and they should be commended, but we have seen a small number of serious incidents in all care sectors involving vulnerable children and adults. Through the effective regulation of the work force, this bill must put an end to abuse and protect the 500,000 service users in Scotland. That is quite a challenge, but we must ensure that the public has full confidence in care services and that they feel that they can speak out when things are not going well. There is no doubt that people worry when they read how one in five elderly people who are resident in care homes are malnourished. The public must believe that this bill will put an end to such scandals.

Whistleblowing is one of the most effective methods of policing poor standards or practice, but staff and service users have to be confident that the system will protect them. It has to be said that there is little confidence in the current complaints system. I hope that the bill will change that.

The commission will have a duty to promote the quality and improvement of care services through registration and inspection. An important function of the commission will be to provide the public with information and advice on the availability and quality of the care services it regulates. That fulfils a key recommendation of the Sutherland commission.

While on the subject of Sutherland, I want to draw to the minister's attention the very helpful definition of personal care in the bill. The minister will find that definition very useful in finally coming up with a definition of personal care for the full implementation of free personal care for the elderly. When he sums up, he may wish to take the opportunity to provide a guarantee that the definition that the care development group comes up with will not be narrower than the definition in the bill.

Some areas of concern have been highlighted through the Health and Community Care Committee. I have said that the general principles of the bill have been broadly welcomed by a range of organisations, but widespread consultation and the evidence have highlighted a number of key concerns, particularly around inspection levels, maintaining local links, the transfer of staff and the funding for the commission and the council.

The registration and inspection process will provide the commission with important powers to issue improvement notices that will list what improvements must be made. If those improvements are not made, a provider's registration can be cancelled. That is a very important sanction that the commission can use to drive up standards.

A key worry that was expressed to the committee concerns the Executive's proposal to limit mandatory inspections to one per year. The National Association of Inspection and Registration Officers said:

"NAIRO strongly opposes a retreat from the Executive's own current target of two inspections per year. NAIRO believes that unannounced inspections reflect everyday service standards more accurately and rightly enjoy greater public credibility."

Real concern was expressed about any reduction in the number of statutory inspections, given that two is the present minimum. It could be argued that organisations will be expected to pay higher fees for less of a service in that respect. Reductions could also be seen as rewarding bad practice and penalising good practice.

The recent Accounts Commission report on performance indicators showed that some local authority social work departments are not even meeting the target of two inspections a year, while others are prioritising inspection to go beyond that target. We should not reduce the number of inspections to the lowest common denominator. The evidence that the committee received was overwhelmingly in favour of retaining two inspections a year for residential care homes, of which one should be announced and one unannounced. Although the minister has argued that one inspection a year is only a minimum, the danger is that the minimum becomes the norm.

It is important for public confidence that the public are reassured that care homes are being regularly and thoroughly inspected. I was struck by the comment, which appeared in a recent Sunday Mail article, of the daughter of an elderly man who died in appalling circumstances in a private nursing home. She said:

"Health boards still do not go in and investigate vigorously. They give too many warnings that they're coming. So I'm not surprised that old people are still being mistreated and starved."

We must make sure that people are reassured. Reducing the level of inspections will not do that.

How staff will be transferred is a key area of concern for the 500 staff who will go to the Scottish commission for the regulation of care and the Scottish social services council. Questions have been asked about whether the Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations are sufficient to deal with those concerns, which include the location of regional offices, the difficulties of homeworking, conditions of service, pension rights and employment alternatives. I know that some reassurances have been given: my colleagues from the Local Government Committee will deal with that in more detail.

Although we now know where the headquarters will be situated, the proposal for five regional offices has generated a lot of concern. We have yet to hear a coherent argument from the Executive on why that model should be followed. The Health and Community Care Committee is of the opinion that the model should be revisited and that there should be some correlation to existing administrative boundaries.

Without doubt, fees have been the most contentious issue. The Executive proposes to fund the start-up costs but expects both bodies to be self-financing by 2004-05 through the registration fees of care providers and staff. That has been condemned as unrealistic by organisation after organisation. I quote NAIRO again:

"We as both providers and purchasers of services are very concerned about the belief that the commission can achieve self-financing through fees: we do not think that is achievable. It is clear that the imposition of fees on local authorities will draw on community care moneys. We pose the question whether that is the best use of the community care pound".

Existing registration and inspection units raise less than one fifth of their cost through income that is generated by the units, but that is expected to become 100 per cent within three years. That can be achieved only through massive increases in the level of fees. As we have heard, there is an intention to increase the fees from the current £10 to £95 by 2003 and possibly to as much as £180 by 2004. That is quite a jump. All the bodies that gave evidence to the Health and Community Care Committee roundly condemned that hike. The committee asked the deputy minister to think again about the issue. I hope that when he sums up, he will indicate that he has done so, although the Minister for Health and Community Care's opening speech and the letter that I received this morning do not suggest that that will be the case.

I will move on to another related problem that NAIRO highlights. It is inevitable that the bulk of the increase in fees will be passed on, in the charge for the care home place, to the client. As we know, local authorities' community care budgets fund about 80 per cent of the places that private and voluntary care providers supply. Therefore, all that will happen is that community care budgets will bear the brunt of the increase in fees. The Minister for Health and Community Care looks puzzled. If she wants to ask for clarification, I will explain the position differently.

Does the minister think that it is sensible for money from one pot of public money—the community care budget—to go through a convoluted route to pay to run the commission and the council, which are public bodies? The value of the community care pound becomes less each time it is moved, because of administration costs. Do ministers think that that is best value? No doubt we will hear at the end of the debate.

In the Health and Community Care Committee and today, ministers have argued that the increased charges would be covered by increases in the total revenue grant funding to local authorities. When the deputy minister said that to the committee, everyone laughed, because we know that local authorities remain cash-strapped. More important, the money is not ring-fenced. We heard some honest evidence from social work managers, who admitted that they often use community care money for other priorities, if needs must.

Voluntary organisations fear that local authorities will not increase their funding, leaving them to find the money for registration fees by cutting staff or services. They are not reassured. The Health and Community Care Committee did not buy the deputy minister's reasoning on funding. I hope that ministers will listen to the overwhelming opposition to the self-funding model. The structure must be revisited to devise a fairer, more workable and more realistic system.

The general principle of people paying a fee to register with the council has been accepted, but the fee should be based on a person's ability to pay. It may not be fair to expect a childminder or social work student to pay the same as someone who is in well-paid employment.

Many organisations that gave evidence to the Health and Community Care Committee backed the introduction of a children's rights commissioner. Some believed that proposals should be in the bill. I have sympathy with the argument that Children 1st, Barnardos Scotland and NCH Scotland made in evidence: that they would prefer separate legislation to create the post of children's commissioner rather than risk the role being curtailed by the bill's scope. I am relaxed about how the post is introduced—whether in the bill or through the Education, Culture and Sport Committee—but the Executive must make progress on its establishment, to afford Scotland's children the same level of protection as Welsh children will receive under the Care Standards Act 2000.

The bill is an opportunity to improve the delivery and monitoring of care for some of the most vulnerable people in society. We are all behind that aim. The committee has invested much time and energy in hearing a great deal of evidence. There is much agreement and consensus across the parties on what needs to change in the bill. I hope that when the minister meets the key stakeholder groups next week he will listen to what they have to say about the changes that are required—the bill will be all the better for them.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel): NPA
Our main item of business is a debate on motion S1M-1523, in the name of Susan Deacon, on the general principles of the Regulation of Care (Scotland) Bill, w...
The Minister for Health and Community Care (Susan Deacon): Lab
I am conscious that, as we gather here this afternoon, certain events south of the border may have distracted some politicians and members of the public from...
Nicola Sturgeon (Glasgow) (SNP): SNP
On consultation, the minister will be aware that concern has been expressed by, I think, everybody who has given evidence to the Health and Community Care Co...
Susan Deacon: Lab
That is one of the issues that has arisen during early consideration of the bill. I will say more about it later in my speech, but I stress now that, at stag...
Mr Keith Raffan (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD): LD
Will the minister give way?
Susan Deacon: Lab
In the interest of time, I will continue, if I may.We already intend to regulate home care for children with disabilities. We now propose to extend regulatio...
Nicola Sturgeon: SNP
Will the minister give way?
Susan Deacon: Lab
I regret that, in the interest of time, I am unable to give way. The deputy minister will respond at the end of the debate and will pick up on points that ha...
The Presiding Officer: NPA
I call Mary Scanlon to speak to and move the amendment.
Iain Smith (North-East Fife) (LD): LD
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. Will you clarify for me the reasoning behind accepting the amendment? According to rule 9.6.4 of the standing orders,...
The Presiding Officer: NPA
I commend to Iain Smith and to all members the guidance that I issued on this subject only a week or two ago. The amendment falls completely within the terms...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con
Although we have lodged amendment S1M-1523.1, the Scottish Conservatives welcome the broad principles of the Regulation of Care (Scotland) Bill. We particula...
Iain Smith: LD
Will the member give way?
Mary Scanlon: Con
I think that Mr Smith has said enough for today and I would rather keep my contribution positive.
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD) rose— LD
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab) rose— Lab
Mary Scanlon: Con
Alzheimer Scotland does not pay registration fees—Interruption.
The Presiding Officer: NPA
Order. Three members are asking whether Mrs Scanlon will give way, but it is up to her to decide whether to do so.
Mary Scanlon: Con
I will give way to Mrs Smith.
Mrs Smith: LD
The SCRO check payments have been set aside. All parties in the chamber supported that and the Executive has listened.
Mary Scanlon: Con
I am aware that, between the submission of evidence and today, there has been quite a bit of movement. That is why I say that the points that have been made ...
Shona Robison (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP
On behalf of the Scottish National Party, I welcome the Regulation of Care (Scotland) Bill. I also welcome the fact that the headquarters of the new Scottish...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD
I begin by thanking the members of the Health and Community Care Committee for their work on the bill. I thank the members of all the other committees that h...
Trish Godman (West Renfrewshire) (Lab): Lab
The Regulation of Care (Scotland) Bill is part of our modernising programme for government—and rightly so.I say to the Tories that to suggest, even as a joke...
Ben Wallace (North-East Scotland) (Con): Con
Will Trish Godman give way?
Trish Godman: Lab
No. I have just started my speech.No one in any political party would disagree that we should safeguard vulnerable people. That means vulnerable people of al...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I want to raise several children's issues that have been identified by the Education, Culture and Sport Committee and by the cross-party group in the Scottis...
Margaret Jamieson (Kilmarnock and Loudoun) (Lab): Lab
I declare an interest in the matter, as a member of Unison and the mother of a student nursery nurse. I do not want anything to come back to haunt me later.T...
Mary Scanlon: Con
Will the member give way?
Margaret Jamieson: Lab
No, I am winding up.In particular, I draw members' attention to section 2(2) of the bill, in which reference is made to somebody "being of a young age". At n...