Chamber
Plenary, 11 May 2000
11 May 2000 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Telecommunications
I am pleased to be taking part in this debate. I congratulate the Transport and the Environment Committee on a thorough and well-considered report. Telecom masts and the related issues of mobile phones and the safety or otherwise of this technology have concerned many parts of Scotland—a point that has been echoed around the chamber this morning. I have my own mast story. There are two masts in my constituency that have caused a lot of concern for local residents, some of whom wrote to the committee during its inquiry.
The report has concentrated on the planning aspects of telecom masts. If the recommendations are implemented, they will go a long way to resolve the difficulties of people who feel that they have no control over their immediate environment because telecom masts can almost literally spring up overnight without consultation with local residents, especially if they are 15 m or less in height.
I am also glad that the committee report recognises the social and economic benefits of the current revolution in telephony. Who in the chamber does not have a mobile phone? The Scotsman today has a graph that shows, in effect, vertical growth in mobile phone use over the past year or two.
Much of the public concern about telecom masts and mobile phones lies around the health risks, whether known or unknown. The Stewart committee, as other members have mentioned, reports today and I believe that it will recommend further research into the health risks.
I am glad that the Transport and the Environment Committee included health as one of the factors that should be considered in the development of telecoms policy, but when we consider health risks, the difference between fixed and mobile operators must be clearly understood. Fixed operators gave evidence to the committee, but they operate on a completely different frequency band from mobile operators and use much lower power levels. They use the industrial, scientific and medical band, which operates with a maximum power of 100 milliwatts.
Friends of the Earth made recommendations for the field strengths and power densities to be used by telecoms operators. The fixed operators use strengths 13.5 times lower than those recommendations. Because of that, Dundee City Council, for example—which, like many councils in Scotland, has imposed a ban on telecoms equipment on council property—has specifically exempted fixed operators. In particular, Atlantic Telecom was exempted in recognition of the fact that, as a fixed operator, it is in a completely different ball park from the mobile operators. I hope that the minister will consider that in her response.
I look forward to the implementation of many of the report's recommendations. That will provide much-needed reassurance to local communities and, as other members have said, restore some local democracy to the decisions on where the masts are located.
The report has concentrated on the planning aspects of telecom masts. If the recommendations are implemented, they will go a long way to resolve the difficulties of people who feel that they have no control over their immediate environment because telecom masts can almost literally spring up overnight without consultation with local residents, especially if they are 15 m or less in height.
I am also glad that the committee report recognises the social and economic benefits of the current revolution in telephony. Who in the chamber does not have a mobile phone? The Scotsman today has a graph that shows, in effect, vertical growth in mobile phone use over the past year or two.
Much of the public concern about telecom masts and mobile phones lies around the health risks, whether known or unknown. The Stewart committee, as other members have mentioned, reports today and I believe that it will recommend further research into the health risks.
I am glad that the Transport and the Environment Committee included health as one of the factors that should be considered in the development of telecoms policy, but when we consider health risks, the difference between fixed and mobile operators must be clearly understood. Fixed operators gave evidence to the committee, but they operate on a completely different frequency band from mobile operators and use much lower power levels. They use the industrial, scientific and medical band, which operates with a maximum power of 100 milliwatts.
Friends of the Earth made recommendations for the field strengths and power densities to be used by telecoms operators. The fixed operators use strengths 13.5 times lower than those recommendations. Because of that, Dundee City Council, for example—which, like many councils in Scotland, has imposed a ban on telecoms equipment on council property—has specifically exempted fixed operators. In particular, Atlantic Telecom was exempted in recognition of the fact that, as a fixed operator, it is in a completely different ball park from the mobile operators. I hope that the minister will consider that in her response.
I look forward to the implementation of many of the report's recommendations. That will provide much-needed reassurance to local communities and, as other members have said, restore some local democracy to the decisions on where the masts are located.
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The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel):
NPA
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Mr Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab):
Lab
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Linda Fabiani (Central Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Patricia Ferguson):
Lab
I call Nick Johnston to open for the Conservatives. You have eight minutes, Mr Johnston.
Nick Johnston (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):
Con
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Tavish Scott (Shetland) (LD):
LD
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The Deputy Presiding Officer:
Lab
We move to the open part of the debate. Members will have four minutes.
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab):
Lab
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Bruce Crawford (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP):
SNP
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Dr Sylvia Jackson (Stirling) (Lab):
Lab
I welcome constituents who have travelled to the Parliament from Strathblane and who have been going through an ordeal with a mast in their area. I thank the...
Euan Robson (Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (LD):
LD
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Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab):
Lab
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Dr Richard Simpson (Ochil) (Lab):
Lab
I wonder if Des McNulty would agree that particular attention should be paid to masts near schools. Bruce Crawford shares my concern about the situation in K...
Des McNulty:
Lab
I am sympathetic to that view and that some of the income coming to local authorities in site rental should be used in that way.Monitoring health risks is a ...
Mr Murray Tosh (South of Scotland) (Con):
Con
I associate myself with all the positive remarks that have been made about the work of the staff on the Transport and the Environment Committee, and I congra...
Cathy Jamieson (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (Lab):
Lab
I welcome the Stewart committee's report, which was published today, and I am pleased to see that it vindicates many of the recommendations in the Transport ...
Robin Harper (Lothians) (Green):
Green
First, I apologise to the chamber because I must leave this debate early. I have a ceremony to attend at the University of Edinburgh in which I am playing a ...
Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab):
Lab
I am pleased to be taking part in this debate. I congratulate the Transport and the Environment Committee on a thorough and well-considered report. Telecom m...
Ian Jenkins (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD):
LD
Carlops, in my constituency, is one of the most famous of the mobile phone mast episodes, but I do not wish to go into the details of that today as we are in...
Dr Simpson:
Lab
I appreciate what the member is going through. Perhaps I can offer some help. A mast was erected in my constituency. Fortunately, it was close to a B-listed ...
Ian Jenkins:
LD
I really do not want to go into the details because there are aspects of our discussions that might involve trees, or whatever.It seems totally unacceptable ...
Helen Eadie (Dunfermline East) (Lab):
Lab
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Janis Hughes (Glasgow Rutherglen) (Lab):
Lab
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David Mundell (South of Scotland) (Con):
Con
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Mr Tosh:
Con
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David Mundell:
Con
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Mr Kenny MacAskill (Lothians) (SNP):
SNP
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Nick Johnston:
Con
Would Mr MacAskill be gracious enough—in the spirit of consensus that has evolved in the debate—to acknowledge that we are learning from experience, whereas ...
Mr MacAskill:
SNP
I should be happy to acknowledge that the Conservatives are learning from the past, although I would not go beyond that.The most important issue is to decide...
The Minister for Transport and the Environment (Sarah Boyack):
Lab
I listened with interest to the many excellent contributions throughout the debate. The debate has been marked by the consistently high quality of those cont...