Chamber
Plenary, 25 Nov 1999
25 Nov 1999 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Carers Strategy
On behalf of the Liberal Democrats, I join in the plaudits to the deputy minister, who has produced a good paper and brought it before the chamber in an understated but effective fashion.
The extent and impact of caring in Scotland is one of our best-kept secrets. The dependency of wheelchair users is visible, as is the existence of a physically handicapped child in the family, but when I visit homes in various capacities and talk to people, I am constantly struck by how many families are touched by the presence of a dependent relative for whom the family members have some responsibility. My impression is that 20 per cent of families might be in that position, which is perhaps right as the estimated number of direct carers is about 13 per cent of adult Scots.
There is an immense burden on people who care. About half of them have provided care for more than five years. Many have to deal with administering medicine or injections and most receive no visit from professionals or volunteers. Even worse, only 6 per cent of known young carers have been assessed under the Children (Scotland) Act 1995, notwithstanding the fact that more than a third of young carers at secondary schools either miss lessons or have educational difficulties.
There is clearly—and rightly—no party divide in the chamber over the imperative need drastically to improve the support and help given to carers. I welcome both the commitment to properly developed legislation on the direct right of access to services and the careful consultation through the carers legislation working group.
The partnership Executive should be warmly congratulated on the extra £5 million that has been made available to carers services this year and its pledge to allocate more funding in the future if it is needed. However, no consideration of this area can avoid concern at the UK Government's long delay in responding to the Sutherland commission. The briefing document from the Carers National Association Scotland states:
"However, we believe that the lack of resolution on the issue of who pays for care will continue to undermine strategic effectiveness."
Members have already touched on the other area of concern, which is the continued loading of local authorities with new duties while there is a year-by-year failure even to fund pay rises. No wonder there are concerns that care money is not ring-fenced.
The answer to that problem is not a further restriction on local authority discretion. Nor is it the Scottish Executive's nannyish requirement to make councils supply community care plans with a
coupon from local carers groups confirming their satisfaction that the council has used its share of the £10 million appropriately. The answer is adequate funding of properly elected and accountable local authorities. To do that, we need to prise the Chancellor of the Exchequer's mitts off his multi-billion-pound war chest. Unless statutory duties are linked with appropriate funding, proper services to carers and other groups will remain a noble aspiration. Although the strategy outlined today is good and worth while, it must be backed by real new money if it is to succeed in the long term.
I also have concerns about young carers, to whom the deputy minister rightly gave considerable attention. They must be the priority in the general area of carers. Young people's life prospects have been severely damaged by early and heavy responsibilities of this kind. There is a need to assess young carers and for information, but this major problem needs to be addressed urgently. I am happy with the deputy minister's assurances that he will develop further research in this area.
There are many good things in the strategy, not least the involvement of carers in its development. It is a healthy skeleton. I hope that the minister will be able to tell us whether his discussions with UK ministers give us hope of putting flesh on the bones, not least through implementation of the Sutherland report.
Scotland prides itself on being a caring society. The document is excellent, but it is a beginning, not an end. I look forward, therefore, to further development of the strategy by the minister.
The extent and impact of caring in Scotland is one of our best-kept secrets. The dependency of wheelchair users is visible, as is the existence of a physically handicapped child in the family, but when I visit homes in various capacities and talk to people, I am constantly struck by how many families are touched by the presence of a dependent relative for whom the family members have some responsibility. My impression is that 20 per cent of families might be in that position, which is perhaps right as the estimated number of direct carers is about 13 per cent of adult Scots.
There is an immense burden on people who care. About half of them have provided care for more than five years. Many have to deal with administering medicine or injections and most receive no visit from professionals or volunteers. Even worse, only 6 per cent of known young carers have been assessed under the Children (Scotland) Act 1995, notwithstanding the fact that more than a third of young carers at secondary schools either miss lessons or have educational difficulties.
There is clearly—and rightly—no party divide in the chamber over the imperative need drastically to improve the support and help given to carers. I welcome both the commitment to properly developed legislation on the direct right of access to services and the careful consultation through the carers legislation working group.
The partnership Executive should be warmly congratulated on the extra £5 million that has been made available to carers services this year and its pledge to allocate more funding in the future if it is needed. However, no consideration of this area can avoid concern at the UK Government's long delay in responding to the Sutherland commission. The briefing document from the Carers National Association Scotland states:
"However, we believe that the lack of resolution on the issue of who pays for care will continue to undermine strategic effectiveness."
Members have already touched on the other area of concern, which is the continued loading of local authorities with new duties while there is a year-by-year failure even to fund pay rises. No wonder there are concerns that care money is not ring-fenced.
The answer to that problem is not a further restriction on local authority discretion. Nor is it the Scottish Executive's nannyish requirement to make councils supply community care plans with a
coupon from local carers groups confirming their satisfaction that the council has used its share of the £10 million appropriately. The answer is adequate funding of properly elected and accountable local authorities. To do that, we need to prise the Chancellor of the Exchequer's mitts off his multi-billion-pound war chest. Unless statutory duties are linked with appropriate funding, proper services to carers and other groups will remain a noble aspiration. Although the strategy outlined today is good and worth while, it must be backed by real new money if it is to succeed in the long term.
I also have concerns about young carers, to whom the deputy minister rightly gave considerable attention. They must be the priority in the general area of carers. Young people's life prospects have been severely damaged by early and heavy responsibilities of this kind. There is a need to assess young carers and for information, but this major problem needs to be addressed urgently. I am happy with the deputy minister's assurances that he will develop further research in this area.
There are many good things in the strategy, not least the involvement of carers in its development. It is a healthy skeleton. I hope that the minister will be able to tell us whether his discussions with UK ministers give us hope of putting flesh on the bones, not least through implementation of the Sutherland report.
Scotland prides itself on being a caring society. The document is excellent, but it is a beginning, not an end. I look forward, therefore, to further development of the strategy by the minister.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid):
SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S1M-317, in the name of Iain Gray, on the Executive's commitment to the introduction of a carers strategy, an...
The Deputy Minister for Community Care (Iain Gray):
Lab
I welcome to the public gallery carers who have travelled from all over Scotland to be here today. Given the caring responsibilities that they have, that rep...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
I can now give an interim answer to the point of order that was raised by Kay Ullrich. I understand that the parliamentary question was asked by Lewis Macdon...
Kay Ullrich (West of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
welcome the sentiments that the minister has expressed. I am sure that carers across Scotland will join me in regarding this as a first step in the long-over...
Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con):
Con
We welcome today's motion. I congratulate the minister and Kay Ullrich on their contributions to an evocative and important matter. The minister is also to b...
Mr Duncan Hamilton (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):
SNP
Mr Aitken says that the matter is not a question of finance and goes on to highlight the shortcomings in local government and the need to plough more money i...
Bill Aitken:
Con
Of course it is a question of finance, but it is also a question of enabling the people who might be on the periphery of making a contribution to do so. I do...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD):
LD
On behalf of the Liberal Democrats, I join in the plaudits to the deputy minister, who has produced a good paper and brought it before the chamber in an unde...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
A number of members want to speak in this afternoon's debate. I ask members to keep their speeches as close as possible to four minutes.
Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab):
Lab
I welcome today's debate. It is essential that our discussion of this issue is informed and constructive. We must move the carers agenda forward. The Scottis...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab):
Lab
Does the member for Airdrie and Shotts agree that the doubled allocation of resources for the provision of carers services, including respite care, displays ...
Karen Whitefield:
Lab
Yes, I agree.It is especially important that priority has been given to young carers. It is estimated that there are around 5,000 young carers in Scotland, a...
Fiona McLeod (West of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I, too, welcome the fact that we have highlighted young carers today and I wish to confine my remarks to that subject. I am glad that young carers are being ...
Dr Richard Simpson (Ochil) (Lab):
Lab
I must begin by declaring that I still act as a medical adviser to foster carers in the former Central Region, now Falkirk, Stirling and Clackmannanshire. Th...
Mr Adam Ingram (South of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I welcome the opportunity to debate this extremely important issue in Parliament. I will use my time to draw attention to the needs of the valuable people wh...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
There is time for one more speaker. I call Kate MacLean; you have three minutes.
Kate MacLean (Dundee West) (Lab):
Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I will try to be brief. Iain Gray said that one of the first events he attended as a minister was a carers event. I wonder whet...
Ms Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP):
SNP
On a point of order. Might it be noted when we have important debates such as this in future that ministers should not make statements prior to the debate? P...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
Thank you. I understand the point of order.
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD):
LD
I welcome the minister's comprehensive speech and, like all the other members who have spoken today, the strategy for carers. It is good that we have moved t...
Tommy Sheridan (Glasgow) (SSP):
SSP
On a point of order. It has been the practice for the Presiding Officer to indicate the number of members who wanted to speak in the debate but were unsucces...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
I am not aware that that is a practice, Mr Sheridan. For your information, I believe that the number is three.
Tommy Sheridan:
SSP
Thank you.
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con):
Con
Much of what I wanted to say has been said. I am delighted that there is such consensus on this issue. I would like to think that, whether in a small or in a...
Mr Duncan Hamilton (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):
SNP
I welcome the tone and substance of this debate. Members from all parts of the chamber have made good speeches. I am sure that the Minister for Health and Co...
Iain Gray:
Lab
Will Mr Hamilton give way?
Mr Hamilton:
SNP
I will not give way.The £5 million is a relaunch of money that has already been allocated. Welcome though that money is, let us not go down the track of sugg...
The Minister for Health and Community Care (Susan Deacon):
Lab
Let me say at the outset how genuinely pleased and proud I am to be standing here today shoulder to shoulder with Iain Gray and other members of the Executiv...
Kay Ullrich:
SNP
When the minister met representatives of local authorities, did they assure her that they were receiving adequate funding to provide community care services?
Susan Deacon:
Lab
Perhaps this is the appropriate point at which to address the SNP amendment. Amendments such as the one that has been moved today are dishonest and disingenu...