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Angela Constance SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
It is disappointing that Mr Hoy does not welcome the prospect of a GP walk-in service for Stranraer. The important point is that the purpose of GP walk-in services is to free up capacity in the primary care system, so that people across our constituencies and regions can be se...
Craig Hoy (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
It is 77 miles from Sanquhar to Stranraer, which is a journey that takes a minimum of two hours by car or at least four hours by bus. Given that my constituents will be expected to make that journey to access the GP walk-in centre in Stranraer, does that not expose the policy ...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
I expect the Glasgow site to open later this month. I very much appreciate the health board’s hard work to get the services up and running. I am sure that Michelle Campbell will join me in welcoming the opening of the sites and thanking our hard-working national health service...
Michelle Campbell (Renfrewshire North and Cardonald) (SNP) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
Work is well under way in preparation for Glasgow’s first walk-in clinic opening. Can the Scottish Government offer an update on when that wonderful resource for the good people of Cardonald will be open?
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
Ms Gibson has made an important point about reducing health inequality by improving access to healthcare. The Government is committed to providing a North Ayrshire walk-in service, which was one of the 14 additional services that were announced. That brings the total number of...
Patricia Gibson SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
North Ayrshire’s people have Scotland’s lowest healthy life expectancy. The average adult remains in full health until just 53 years old. More than 28 per cent of people live with a long-term health condition, which is 6 per cent higher than the Scottish average. In view of th...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Care (Angela Constance) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
I have committed to expanding the walk-in service programme and will set out how I will do so in the first 100 days of this Government. Health boards were previously asked to generate proposals that considered their populations’ needs, taking into account local issues and circ...
Patricia Gibson (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
To ask the Scottish Government when it expects a general practitioner walk-in centre to open in North Ayrshire. (S7O-00023)
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
The short answer is yes. I am happy to meet Ms Minto or any other member to discuss the matter further. The challenge of multiple organisations drawing on small rural populations is not new. The SFRS works collaboratively with a range of partners, including the coastguard serv...
Jenni Minto (Argyll and Bute) (SNP) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
I appreciate that these are independent decisions to be made by the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service, but I am interested to know whether the Scottish Government is looking at the cumulative impact of those changes on, for example, other rescue services such as the coastguard,...
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
I am more than happy to explore that with the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service in order to ensure that we are in a position to respond to the changing nature of fire and flood risk across Scotland. The Scottish Fire and Rescue Service’s very successful prevention activities, a...
Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
Ministers previously told Parliament that almost £1 million of specialist wildfire pumping units would be deployed within weeks. A Scottish Conservative freedom of information request later revealed that they were still not operational, during Scotland’s worst wildfire season ...
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
These are independent decisions for the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service to make, but it is open to Parliament to take a view on those matters—in the way that a view is normally taken, for example, on investigations undertaken through the committee structure—or otherwise. Obvi...
Joe Fagan Lab Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
There is profound concern about the potential outcomes of the service delivery review, not least from the firefighters and their union. Given the gravity of the decisions that are about to be made, does the Government agree that there should be full parliamentary scrutiny and ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Neil Gray) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
I met the SFRS board chair on 4 June, when we discussed the overall objectives of the service delivery review and the consultation and outreach process that the SFRS has undertaken. Recent large fires in Glasgow and Fife have been dealt with commendably by our front-line firef...
Joe Fagan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
To ask the Scottish Government what discussions it has had with the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service board regarding the outcome of the service delivery review that is due to be considered on 22 June. (S7O-00022)
Stephen Flynn SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I am happy to answer.If Mr Cole-Hamilton wishes to write to me, I will write back to him as swiftly as I possibly can.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
That was not quite on the nose for the general question, but do you want to respond, cabinet secretary?
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh North Western) (LD) LD Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I hope that the cabinet secretary will agree that one of the safest ways to get students from Kirkliston in my constituency to their catchment high school in South Queensferry is via the council-funded coach service that has been operating well there for several years. A decis...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I realise that everyone is finding their feet, including me. I remind members that they should only press their button if they want to ask a supplementary to the general question that has been asked.Alex Cole-Hamilton has a supplementary.
Lloyd Melville (Angus South) (SNP) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
My apologies, Presiding Officer. I pressed my button in error, thinking that I would have to do that for my general question later on.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
Lloyd Melville has a supplementary.
Julie MacDougall Reform Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I apologise.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
That is not relevant to this question. We are on supplementaries to the question that Patrick Harvie asked.
Julie MacDougall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Reform) Reform Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I recently met the chief executive of Forth Valley College. It was incredibly harrowing to hear about how apprenticeship courses are being cut—
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
Julie MacDougall has a supplementary.
Stephen Flynn SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
Mr Harvie will be pleased to know that £3.2 million is still going to regional transport partnerships—£1.6 million will be available for local direct awards and £1.4 million is going to bikeability schemes, which all our weans can benefit from. Of course, that forms part of a ...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I am sorry that the cabinet secretary did not choose to answer that question by explaining why the cut took place and why it took place during the election purdah period. I have returned to my job to meet local community organisations that are doing the work that the Scottish ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Tourism and Transport (Stephen Flynn) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I thank Patrick Harvie for his question, because it gives me the opportunity to restate what the First Minister said. We support cycling, walking and wheeling, which is why £226 million-worth of investment is going into sustainable and active travel. I am very proud of that—I ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
To ask the Scottish Government, in light of comments made by the First Minister in the Parliament on 2 June that the Scottish Government prioritises active and safe travel routes and the encouragement of cycling, walking and wheeling, for what reason Transport Scotland reporte...
Stephen Kerr Con Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Thank you.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Yes.
Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. For guidance, would it be possible for the same person to be nominated again in those circumstances?
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
The process is opened again for further nominations. However, to be clear, any other member who is nominated will have to come from the party from which the original member was selected.
Helen McDade Reform Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
What happens then?
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
If a candidate receives the majority of votes, that candidate will become the committee convener. If the majority is against it, that candidate will not be the committee convener.
Helen McDade (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Reform) Reform Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I just wonder what the process is. Can you explain what happens once a vote has been cast when there is only one candidate, so that we know what we are voting against?
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Willie Rennie’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Fifteen out of 15 convenerships will be subject to secret ballots.I have also received two valid nominations for convener of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee. The nomin...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Craig Hoy’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Willie Rennie has been nominated as convener of the Transport Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection was received.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Mark Ruskell’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Craig Hoy has been nominated as convener of the Social Justice, Housing and Local Government Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button n...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Bob Doris’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Mark Ruskell has been nominated as convener of the Rural Affairs Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection was noted.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Paul Sweeney’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Bob Doris has been nominated as convener of the Public Service Reform Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection was noted.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Neil Bibby’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Paul Sweeney has been nominated as convener of the Public Petitions Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection was noted.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Helen McDade’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Neil Bibby has been nominated as convener of the Public Audit Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection was noted.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Clare Haughey’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Helen McDade has been nominated as convener of the Health, Care and Sport Committee. If any member objects to her election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection wa...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Patrick Harvie’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Clare Haughey has been nominated as convener of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. If any member objects to her election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Katie Hagmann’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Patrick Harvie has been nominated as convener of the Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Karen Adam’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Katie Hagmann has been nominated as convener of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. If any member objects to her election as convener, please press your point-of-order button n...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Duncan Massey’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Karen Adam has been nominated as convener of the Education and Gaelic Committee. If any member objects to her election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection was no...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Calum Kerr’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Duncan Massey has been nominated as convener of the Economy, Tourism and Energy Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Alyn Smith’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Calum Kerr has been nominated as convener of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objectio...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Stuart McMillan’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Alyn Smith has been nominated as convener of the Criminal Justice Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection was noted.
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Colleagues, we turn to the election of committee conveners. When more than one nomination for convener of a committee has been received, an election will be conducted by secret ballot. I will give you instructions on this shortly.When a single nomination has been received, the...
Speaker unknown Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
14:05
Rabbi Moshe Rubin (Rabbi of Giffnock Synagogue and Senior Rabbi of Scotland) Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Time for Reflection
Thank you, Presiding Officer. On behalf of the Scottish Jewish community, I wish you and all newly elected MSPs every success in your service to our beautiful country of Scotland.It is no secret that Jewish communities across the United Kingdom are facing increasing hostility....
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Time for Reflection
Our first item of business this afternoon is time for reflection, and our time for reflection leader today is Rabbi Moshe Rubin of Giffnock synagogue, the Senior Rabbi of Scotland.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
04 Jun 2026
Decision Time
That concludes decision time.Meeting closed at 17:20.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
04 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on motion S7M-00249, in the name of Jenny Gilruth, on wealth taxation for public services, as amended, is: For 84, Against 28, Abstentions 10.Motion, as amended, agreed to,That the Parliament believes in fair, progressive and sustainable taxation to ...
Speaker unknown Chamber
04 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)Barratt, David ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
04 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The final question is, that motion S7M-00249, in the name of Jenny Gilruth, on wealth taxation for public services, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
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Transport and the Environment Committee, 06 Oct 1999

06 Oct 1999 · S1 · Transport and the Environment Committee
Item of business
Concessionary Travel
Trond Haugen (Convention of Scottish Local Authorities): Watch on SPTV
I will try to stick to the headings that you used, convener, the first of which was the need for concessionary travel schemes. The main purpose of local authority travel schemes is to provide low-cost travel for people who are perceived as requiring assistance to move around, either because their mobility is impaired or because they have low or no income. One problem is that the trend during the past decade has been for high fare increases. Between 1990 and 1997 there was an increase of no less than 60 per cent in fares. During the same time, the gap between rich and poor has increased further. For a large number of people, therefore, the affordability of transport has become an increasing factor in and a major cause of social exclusion.Local authorities have little or no direct influence over fare levels, so concessionary travel—lower fares—is a significant tool for them to promote social inclusion. Concessionary travel schemes have a number of indirect effects. The bus industry is quite dependent on the income from concessionary schemes. At the moment, throughout the United Kingdom, approximately 14 per cent of the industry's income comes from concessionary schemes. Arguably, that figure is even higher in Scotland where concessions are more generous than those south of the border. Payment for supported services makes up only 10 per cent of income for operators, which gives a clear indication of the importance of concessionary schemes.Concessionary travel schemes also assist in safeguarding the bus network, especially during off-peak periods and weekends, when often the majority of passengers are pensioners and disabled people. Should concessionary schemes be cut back, the number of such passengers would be reduced, with the effect of contracting the network. Such contraction would affect not only concession holders, but full fare paying passengers. It could be argued that under the Transport Act 1985 local authorities should support the network through tenders, but there is no doubt that it is also supported through concession schemes. I refer members to the three diagrams at the back of the paper that I have circulated, which show the large variations between authorities in expenditure on concessionary travel. The authority with the lowest expenditure spent only one sixth of the amount per head of population spent by the more generous authorities. When it comes to support of the network, however, rural authorities are the higher spenders. City councils in general spend less. The ratio is typically something like a factor of four. If one adds the two together, one finds that the variation between authorities is not that great, so if one looks at concession and support for services together, the lowest and highest variation between authorities are perhaps only a factor of two. That shows that concession schemes assist in supporting networks.We are all aware of rail concessions, but they are not as extensive as bus concessions and it could be argued that local authorities, as well as the concession users, view rail concession as being of lesser importance than bus concession. With the possible exception of Strathclyde, the income from concession schemes to rail operators is of much lower significance than it is to bus operators.A further indirect benefit from concession schemes is traffic reduction. Generous concession schemes encourage people to get out of their cars. The growth in car ownership is highest among the elderly. Twenty years ago, people who reached pensionable age were not normally car owners, whereas now such people have got used to their cars. They grew up during the 1950s, when mass car ownership really took off. Road safety is also a factor, as road accident statistics show a marked increase for fairly elderly people, whereas statistics covering other types of accident normally decrease. Concession schemes certainly have an effect on that.Finally, I stress the importance of concession schemes to 16 to 18-year-olds who travel to school. There are problems with car traffic around schools and we encourage safe travel to school. Schemes for 16 to 18-year-olds encourage pupils to take the bus—that is, schemes for those pupils who do not already receive free travel from school because of distance. It also encourages young people to use the bus in the future. They gain confidence in public transport.Moving on to the second topic, the current scope and focus of travel concession schemes, the briefing paper outlines eligibility for concession and I will not dwell on that point. Most authorities operate schemes for the elderly and disabled. In respect of concessions for young people, only a handful of local authorities include such schemes for 16 to 18-year-olds. For the lower age groups, schemes are provided by operators on a commercial basis, usually by charging half-fare for those aged up to 16. I would argue that the indirect benefits of travel concession schemes, in terms of road safety, traffic reduction and sustaining the bus network, are achieved, to a reasonable extent.However, there are a large number of groups who are not covered by travel concession schemes, such as the unemployed, single parents and people on income support, although we should acknowledge and congratulate those operators that have shown their initiative by introducing special deals for job seekers on a commercial basis. On the other hand, it could be argued that a fair number of retired people are relatively well off and perhaps do not warrant such a high priority in terms of reduced fares. The main objective—to provide affordable travel for low-income groups and to promote social inclusion—is only partially achieved by the current schemes. Perhaps some of the resources that benefit those pensioners who are better off could be better utilised elsewhere.It is also necessary to look at the legal considerations. Lawyers have advised me that it is not that straightforward to change the categories. The way in which the act is worded could lead to a legal challenge if certain people within a group are excluded from the concession schemes. We would prefer to see a change in the legislation should this be the direction in which the country goes. There is, however, a catch-all in section 93(7)(f), under which the Scottish Executive has powers to include additional groups. Nevertheless, we must be careful not to take action that might lead to legal challenge.I want to raise the issue of financial constraints and the administrative complexities of current concession schemes. There is no doubt that concession schemes have become much more vulnerable to cutbacks in local authority expenditure. Many councils also face a funding crisis due to steep price increases, and sudden increases of 10 per cent in concession expenditure are not uncommon. Of course, local authorities have great difficulties in dealing with such sudden hikes, especially when budgets have not taken full account of what is likely to happen. The rules regarding financial reimbursement for operators are extremely complex and I suggest that operators and councils alike would benefit from a review of those rules. In contrast, payments to rail operators are arranged through individual agreements and there are therefore great variations throughout the country for payments to ScotRail. Again, there ought to be a review of that situation.Reorganisations in local government in 1996 also caused difficulties. Some operators now have to cope with three or four concession schemes on just one service, and that places extreme demands on the drivers. Some standardisation of schemes would therefore be of benefit. Some authorities, in the Lothians and the Grampians for example, have arranged joint schemes, but it has been difficult to sustain those systems.The issue of a national concession scheme has been raised and I would argue that such a scheme would require completely different administrative and funding arrangements from those that are in place today. There is no doubt that additional financial resources would be required, and there may also have to be changes to legislation.However, a national concession scheme would have a number of benefits. It would increase travel and social benefits for the most vulnerable groups. It would remove the perceived unfairness of variations in local schemes from one authority to another. It would avoid the difficult and controversial task of estimating generated travel as part of the complex apparatus for reimbursing operators. It would allow local authorities to concentrate on the important task of quality partnerships and quality contracts, rather than spending lots of time on dealing with concessionary schemes. It would also lead to greater consistency in concessionary travel and to a more stable basis for funding. I believe that local authorities ought to have powers to top up facilities for concession schemes. Of course, some authorities, including my own, value such schemes very highly.It is difficult to envisage a national travel scheme being established without additional funding. A voluntary scheme is being introduced for the blind, but there is only limited scope to expand it any further. For a national scheme involving a significant number of people, one possible option would be to force operators by law to carry the relevant concession groups on, for example, a half-fare basis without any direct reimbursement. As a possible compensation, there could be an increase in fuel duty rebate, because that is the existing apparatus that is available to the Government to pay operators. Such an arrangement would simplify administration, and I am fairly sure that, in the long run, such an arrangement will be viewed as a natural right for the relevant groups, just as the current half-fare schemes for young people and teenagers are viewed as a natural right.Along similar lines, compensation for rail travel could be incorporated into new franchising arrangements. Again, that would simplify the administration procedures. However, should we continue the existing principle of an operator being no better or worse off, a national administration system would have to be set up, incorporating a complex monitoring procedure. The development of smart cards might simplify the process.I would have to ask whether a national concession scheme would provide best value. Originally, concession schemes were set up to assist people in travelling to their local town centre, to go shopping and to gain access to essential services. If that was expanded to become a national scheme, allowing travel all over Scotland, there would still be a cost to the user at the end of the journey, and we might still exclude certain low-income groups from benefiting. I would have to ask whether we were putting resources in the right place to gain best value.Most authorities in Scotland operate a taxicard scheme. There are many differences between the schemes, which is confusing for taxi operators. Standardisation would improve the situation.In conclusion, we ought to reassess who should receive assistance and what level of benefit should be offered—that is a best value exercise. We should consider scope for greater standardisation of concession schemes. We should definitely simplify the administrative procedures. We must review and amend legislation as required. Finally, of course, we must consider who will pay for it all.

In the same item of business

The Convener: Lab
Moving on to the formal part of this morning's meeting, during our previous sessions we identified that we wished to consider concessionary travel schemes as...
Tim Stone (Convention of Scottish Local Authorities):
While the papers are being circulated, let me explain that Trond Haugen is the transportation manager for Fife Council—the kingdom of Fife—and that David Hun...
Trond Haugen (Convention of Scottish Local Authorities):
I will try to stick to the headings that you used, convener, the first of which was the need for concessionary travel schemes. The main purpose of local auth...
The Convener: Lab
Thank you, Trond. The committee will now put questions to the COSLA team.
Tavish Scott (Shetland) (LD): LD
I have one question on the last point about assessing who should receive assistance and the level of the benefits. Are you saying that, in terms of introduci...
Trond Haugen:
That is my opinion.
Tavish Scott: LD
How considerable would those research projects have to be to give us the information that we need to reach a considered opinion on the subject?
Trond Haugen:
We would have to discover the existing usage amongst the groups that we want to include. We would also need to divide those groups into various social catego...
Tavish Scott: LD
How much of that information does COSLA have? As you are shaking your heads, I take it that COSLA does not have very much information.
Tim Stone:
No.
Trond Haugen:
COSLA does not have that much information.
The Convener: Lab
Thank you, Tavish. Helen and Murray have some questions.
Helen Eadie (Dunfermline East) (Lab): Lab
Trond mentioned franchising. Does he have a view on franchising versus the current deregulated system? I understand that franchising might provide a better c...
Trond Haugen:
There is no doubt that the deregulated regime has increased fares to a large extent. It is often difficult for local authorities to add services under the cu...
The Convener: Lab
Feel free, David and Tim, to indicate if you want to speak.
Mr Murray Tosh (South of Scotland) (Con): Con
I have a number of wee queries. There were a couple of points on which, going through your presentation, I was not entirely clear. One of those, Trond, was o...
Trond Haugen:
The first point about tenders as opposed to concessions is that this is the thinking behind the Transport Act 1985: local authorities should tender for servi...
David Hunter (Convention of Scottish Local Authorities):
Mr Tosh's second point was about the complexity of regulations, as was mentioned in the presentation. One aspect can be illustrated by a bus route from Edinb...
Mr Tosh: Con
I take the point about the increased variety causing difficulty, but where do the complexities pose a problem?
David Hunter:
With regard to the travel generated, one of the principles of concessionary travel is that the operator is supposed to be no better and no worse off than the...
Mr Tosh: Con
If it is unproveable and unmeasurable, is there scope for us to examine it?
Trond Haugen:
A consultant has been appointed by the Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions specifically to examine the issue. A draft report has already...
David Hunter:
My personal view is that a review of the literature, the modelling and so on would be justifiable. Because these are hypothetical questions, it would not be ...
Cathy Jamieson (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (Lab): Lab
I am interested in the notion that has been raised in the paper, and which you also mentioned, of a national scheme that would operate by force of law to ma...
Trond Haugen:
Such schemes are not uncommon in continental countries, where operators are forced, through legislation, to carry certain groups of people. I am not sure how...
Cathy Jamieson: Lab
So there are schemes that we could examine in more detail, to determine how they might be translated?
Trond Haugen:
There are definitely schemes that involve legislation.
Mr Kenny MacAskill (Lothians) (SNP): SNP
I have three questions to ask. My first relates to the operation of such a scheme, and follows on from Helen's comments. Do you think that quality contracts ...
Tim Stone:
The issue of quality partnerships is separate from the notion of a national concessionary fare scheme. Quality partnerships concern local arrangements to de...
The Convener: Lab
Robin, very briefly, do you have any questions?