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The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
That concludes the urgent question. We will have a one-minute break to switch over, after which we will resume with portfolio questions.The rest of this Official Report will be published progressively as soon as the text is available.
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
I understand the motivation behind Mr Smith’s questions. He will understand that Police Scotland, the Courts and Tribunals Service and the Crown are rightly independent of Government. However, what we are able to see from the footage that Mr Kerr and Mr Smith have alluded to s...
Alyn Smith (Stirling) (SNP) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
I commend Paul Sweeney for his contributions in the chamber. There is a lot of unanimity across the Parliament, and we should all be careful with our words in general when discussing such matters.These are aggravated offences. I commend the cabinet secretary for his response, ...
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
I agree with Mr Kerr’s points. Of course, there is a right to protest and to organise peacefully, but that is not what we saw last night. We saw thuggery and intimidatory tactics seeking to divide communities. They will not succeed in Scotland.Last night, I was in live dialogu...
Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
Looking at the footage of last night’s events, we see that it was not protest but criminal disorder. Families should be able to go about their daily lives in Scotland without fear of violence, intimidation or public disorder from a gang of balaclava-clad hooligans.Will the cab...
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
In the first instance, those efforts are being led by Police Scotland in the work that it is doing to reassure communities across Scotland. Work is ongoing in Government to ensure that we are able to protect and enhance communities, including minority ethnic groups and religio...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen and Cambuslang) (SNP) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
The scenes in Glasgow city centre and in other parts of Scotland—and, indeed, in Belfast—were truly shocking. Those scenes and all racism must be condemned by all parties in the chamber. Shame on those who choose not to do so.How will the Scottish Government reach out to and w...
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
I fundamentally and completely agree with what Paul Sweeney has said—I believe that to my core. We are a welcoming nation. We have benefited from migration to this country and we continue to benefit from it. I say that particularly given the offices that I have held in health ...
Paul Sweeney Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
Some members of the Parliament have sought to fan the flames of division with continual talk of “strangers” and calls for further protests tonight. Does the cabinet secretary agree that every one of us in the Parliament has a duty to calm tensions in this country and not to in...
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
Before Paul Sweeney comes back in, I say to him that I am looking for questions rather than speeches. Other members are keen to come in, so it is important that we keep questions as brief as possible.
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
I completely agree with everything that Paul Sweeney has put on the record in his supplementary question. The Scottish Government’s approach is grounded in tackling hate consistently and proportionately across all communities, which is underpinned by a zero-tolerance stance on...
Paul Sweeney Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
Last night, racist thugs stormed through the centre of Glasgow under the white nationalist slogan “White lives matter”. Members of the public were attacked indiscriminately because of the colour of their skin, and two police officers were injured. My prayers are with those who...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Neil Gray) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
The actions of a very small number of individuals in parts of Scotland last night, which included the assaulting of police officers and members of minority ethnic communities, are shocking and unacceptable. Violence and racism have no place on our streets, and I utterly condem...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
To ask the Scottish Government what urgent action it will take in response to the reported violent racist demonstrations that took place last night in Glasgow.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
14:04
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Today’s business begins with the results of the elections for committee conveners. I will announce the results for each committee in turn.Stuart McMillan has been elected as convener of the Climate Action Committee. The total number of ballots was 121 and the results were as f...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
It is disappointing that Mr Hoy does not welcome the prospect of a GP walk-in service for Stranraer. The important point is that the purpose of GP walk-in services is to free up capacity in the primary care system, so that people across our constituencies and regions can be se...
Craig Hoy (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
It is 77 miles from Sanquhar to Stranraer, which is a journey that takes a minimum of two hours by car or at least four hours by bus. Given that my constituents will be expected to make that journey to access the GP walk-in centre in Stranraer, does that not expose the policy ...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
I expect the Glasgow site to open later this month. I very much appreciate the health board’s hard work to get the services up and running. I am sure that Michelle Campbell will join me in welcoming the opening of the sites and thanking our hard-working national health service...
Michelle Campbell (Renfrewshire North and Cardonald) (SNP) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
Work is well under way in preparation for Glasgow’s first walk-in clinic opening. Can the Scottish Government offer an update on when that wonderful resource for the good people of Cardonald will be open?
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
Ms Gibson has made an important point about reducing health inequality by improving access to healthcare. The Government is committed to providing a North Ayrshire walk-in service, which was one of the 14 additional services that were announced. That brings the total number of...
Patricia Gibson SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
North Ayrshire’s people have Scotland’s lowest healthy life expectancy. The average adult remains in full health until just 53 years old. More than 28 per cent of people live with a long-term health condition, which is 6 per cent higher than the Scottish average. In view of th...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Care (Angela Constance) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
I have committed to expanding the walk-in service programme and will set out how I will do so in the first 100 days of this Government. Health boards were previously asked to generate proposals that considered their populations’ needs, taking into account local issues and circ...
Patricia Gibson (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
To ask the Scottish Government when it expects a general practitioner walk-in centre to open in North Ayrshire. (S7O-00023)
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
The short answer is yes. I am happy to meet Ms Minto or any other member to discuss the matter further. The challenge of multiple organisations drawing on small rural populations is not new. The SFRS works collaboratively with a range of partners, including the coastguard serv...
Jenni Minto (Argyll and Bute) (SNP) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
I appreciate that these are independent decisions to be made by the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service, but I am interested to know whether the Scottish Government is looking at the cumulative impact of those changes on, for example, other rescue services such as the coastguard,...
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
I am more than happy to explore that with the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service in order to ensure that we are in a position to respond to the changing nature of fire and flood risk across Scotland. The Scottish Fire and Rescue Service’s very successful prevention activities, a...
Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
Ministers previously told Parliament that almost £1 million of specialist wildfire pumping units would be deployed within weeks. A Scottish Conservative freedom of information request later revealed that they were still not operational, during Scotland’s worst wildfire season ...
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
These are independent decisions for the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service to make, but it is open to Parliament to take a view on those matters—in the way that a view is normally taken, for example, on investigations undertaken through the committee structure—or otherwise. Obvi...
Joe Fagan Lab Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
There is profound concern about the potential outcomes of the service delivery review, not least from the firefighters and their union. Given the gravity of the decisions that are about to be made, does the Government agree that there should be full parliamentary scrutiny and ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Neil Gray) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
I met the SFRS board chair on 4 June, when we discussed the overall objectives of the service delivery review and the consultation and outreach process that the SFRS has undertaken. Recent large fires in Glasgow and Fife have been dealt with commendably by our front-line firef...
Joe Fagan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
To ask the Scottish Government what discussions it has had with the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service board regarding the outcome of the service delivery review that is due to be considered on 22 June. (S7O-00022)
Stephen Flynn SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I am happy to answer.If Mr Cole-Hamilton wishes to write to me, I will write back to him as swiftly as I possibly can.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
That was not quite on the nose for the general question, but do you want to respond, cabinet secretary?
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh North Western) (LD) LD Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I hope that the cabinet secretary will agree that one of the safest ways to get students from Kirkliston in my constituency to their catchment high school in South Queensferry is via the council-funded coach service that has been operating well there for several years. A decis...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I realise that everyone is finding their feet, including me. I remind members that they should only press their button if they want to ask a supplementary to the general question that has been asked.Alex Cole-Hamilton has a supplementary.
Lloyd Melville (Angus South) (SNP) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
My apologies, Presiding Officer. I pressed my button in error, thinking that I would have to do that for my general question later on.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
Lloyd Melville has a supplementary.
Julie MacDougall Reform Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I apologise.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
That is not relevant to this question. We are on supplementaries to the question that Patrick Harvie asked.
Julie MacDougall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Reform) Reform Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I recently met the chief executive of Forth Valley College. It was incredibly harrowing to hear about how apprenticeship courses are being cut—
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
Julie MacDougall has a supplementary.
Stephen Flynn SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
Mr Harvie will be pleased to know that £3.2 million is still going to regional transport partnerships—£1.6 million will be available for local direct awards and £1.4 million is going to bikeability schemes, which all our weans can benefit from. Of course, that forms part of a ...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I am sorry that the cabinet secretary did not choose to answer that question by explaining why the cut took place and why it took place during the election purdah period. I have returned to my job to meet local community organisations that are doing the work that the Scottish ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Tourism and Transport (Stephen Flynn) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I thank Patrick Harvie for his question, because it gives me the opportunity to restate what the First Minister said. We support cycling, walking and wheeling, which is why £226 million-worth of investment is going into sustainable and active travel. I am very proud of that—I ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
To ask the Scottish Government, in light of comments made by the First Minister in the Parliament on 2 June that the Scottish Government prioritises active and safe travel routes and the encouragement of cycling, walking and wheeling, for what reason Transport Scotland reporte...
Stephen Kerr Con Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Thank you.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Yes.
Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. For guidance, would it be possible for the same person to be nominated again in those circumstances?
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
The process is opened again for further nominations. However, to be clear, any other member who is nominated will have to come from the party from which the original member was selected.
Helen McDade Reform Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
What happens then?
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
If a candidate receives the majority of votes, that candidate will become the committee convener. If the majority is against it, that candidate will not be the committee convener.
Helen McDade (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Reform) Reform Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I just wonder what the process is. Can you explain what happens once a vote has been cast when there is only one candidate, so that we know what we are voting against?
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Willie Rennie’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Fifteen out of 15 convenerships will be subject to secret ballots.I have also received two valid nominations for convener of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee. The nomin...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Craig Hoy’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Willie Rennie has been nominated as convener of the Transport Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection was received.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Mark Ruskell’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Craig Hoy has been nominated as convener of the Social Justice, Housing and Local Government Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button n...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Bob Doris’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Mark Ruskell has been nominated as convener of the Rural Affairs Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection was noted.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Paul Sweeney’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Bob Doris has been nominated as convener of the Public Service Reform Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection was noted.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Neil Bibby’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Paul Sweeney has been nominated as convener of the Public Petitions Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection was noted.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Helen McDade’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Neil Bibby has been nominated as convener of the Public Audit Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection was noted.
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Local Government and Transport Committee, 23 Mar 2004

23 Mar 2004 · S2 · Local Government and Transport Committee
Item of business
Prostitution Tolerance Zones (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Ruth Morgan Thomas (SCOT-PEP): Watch on SPTV
I thank the committee for inviting us to give evidence again. Since we last gave evidence, the situation in Edinburgh has changed—I think that it has become critical.For the past 15 years, I have been involved in SCOT-PEP and in developing services for sex workers within a human and civil rights framework. Our focus is on health promotion and the protection and empowerment of sex workers.There are diverse feminist and ideological perspectives and political stances on sex work, but regardless of all the opinions, what remains undeniable is the vulnerability of sex workers in today's society and their social exclusion through discrimination, stigmatisation and inequality, given their lack of access to services, support and employment rights. The most vulnerable are undoubtedly those who are involved in street prostitution.No Government or law enforcement strategy has managed to eradicate prostitution or the sex industry. The criminalisation of the selling of sex in Iraq resulted in sex workers being publicly executed, but individuals still sold sex there. The criminalisation of buying sex in Sweden has driven the sex industry underground and has made sex workers more vulnerable. Legalised brothels in Nevada in the USA have not eradicated street prostitution in that state.The selling and buying of sex are not illegal in Scotland, but strategies that enable sex workers to work collectively and therefore more safely are illegal. That illegality excludes sex workers from the protection that is offered to other workers through employment and health and safety legislation.Zero tolerance of the sex industry simply forces prostitution underground and disperses sex workers. It has no significant impact on the level of prostitution, but it has a significant impact on the health, safety and well-being of sex workers. It opens up opportunities for clients and organised crime to exploit and abuse sex workers. In every city that has implemented zero tolerance or had sporadic crackdowns on street prostitution, sex workers have reported that the level of attacks on them increased significantly while their ability to access support and services decreased.When domestic abuse became widely recognised, we did not adopt a zero tolerance policy towards the institution of marriage or relationships. We sought to combat abuse and violence in that institution and to reduce individuals' vulnerability to such abuse by creating an environment in which our society would not tolerate abuse and violence and by providing support services that are appropriate to the self-identified needs and aspirations of those who are affected by vulnerability to abuse.It is necessary to understand and address the contextual issues, the complexities of the concepts of vulnerability and abuse and the constraints on the real choices that sex workers and drug users can make in today's society. No moral or ideological perspectives should be allowed to increase further the vulnerability and social exclusion of sex workers.The sex-worker community is not a single entity and street-based sex workers are not a homogeneous group. They come from diverse backgrounds and have differing interests and ideas, as well as different life experiences and current life circumstances. There are diverse reasons for entering and remaining in prostitution that cover a continuum that runs from coercion to choice within the constraints of the current economic and employment context of our society. In a social inclusion framework, one must respect the diversity of views that are expressed by sex workers, including those who assert their right to self-determine and who choose to engage in sex work, as well as those who wish to leave the sex industry.A legislative framework is required to enable us to work to minimise the harmful effects, instead of our simply ignoring or condemning sex workers, their clients or the sex industry. That framework should tackle the real and tragic harm that street-based sex workers face daily. Such legislation should enable each area to implement—on a what-works, evidenced basis—policies and strategies that respond to local conditions in order to reduce sex workers' vulnerability, increase their access to support and services and combat involuntary sex work.It is estimated that between 800 and 1,000 women work in the sex industry in Edinburgh each year and that between 10 per cent and 15 per cent engage in street prostitution. In 2003, SCOT-PEP had contact with 126 street-based sex workers. In the first nine months of the current financial year, contact was made with 117 street-based sex workers, of whom 44 were new to street prostitution.The situation and vulnerability of street-based sex workers in Edinburgh have deteriorated further since last we gave evidence. We will highlight particular concerns that we believe relate directly to the loss of the designated area, in which women worked collectively to minimise criminality such as that which is currently encroaching on street prostitution in Leith.Since we last gave evidence, a significant increase in violence has taken place. That is outlined in the supplementary written evidence that we submitted earlier this month. The ugly mug briefing paper shows a 1,000 per cent increase in attacks. That represents a 2,000 per cent increase in risk for each woman since we lost our designated area two years ago. SCOT-PEP was one of the first sex-work projects in the UK to promote an ugly mug scheme, in the early 1990s. The scheme was set up as an early warning system against potentially violent clients; it enabled sex workers to try to prevent further attacks from the same individuals.SCOT-PEP's policy has always been to share information with the police and to encourage and support sex workers to report crimes against them. That policy has not changed in the 15 years during which we have operated. However, co-operation and trust between the women and the police have continued to deteriorate, as women are now regularly cautioned and charged by the police and regard the police as their persecutors, rather than their protectors.Drug dependency among local street-based sex workers has increased from under 50 per cent to more than 95 per cent and the vast majority of users now inject. That has happened since the loss of the zone. That dramatic increase in drug dependency among street-based sex workers occurred well after the re-emergence of heroin use was being reported in Edinburgh, so I do not think that the two can necessarily be linked. Drug dealers have encroached—that problem had been minimised when the designated area was in operation. During the past year, drug pimping has emerged, by which I mean the coercion of women into street prostitution because of their drug dependency. Again, that was not happening when we had a designated area.We have also witnessed the introduction of protection racketeers and the re-emergence of pimping in Edinburgh's street prostitution scene, which—again—had been minimised during the operation of the designated area. During the past two years, we have received a significant number of reports of under-16s being involved in street prostitution, whereas during the last two years in which the zone operated, no under-16s were involved in street prostitution in the city.Some people assert that the operation of a zone attracts criminality and minors to the area, but that is not substantiated by Edinburgh's 15 years of experience of operating a designated area. Such criminality and child sexual abuse through prostitution has re-emerged only since we lost the designated area. The continuing dispersal of street prostitution over a significant part of north Leith has removed the police's ability to manage and control the situation effectively, despite the on-going high levels of police activity in the area. Women continue not to report the presence of undesirables or crimes against them, as the hostile relationships with the police continue. We have been unable to re-establish the relationship of confidence and trust that once existed.The on-going dispersal and mobility of street-based workers has had a significant impact on women's ability to access services and support, and on SCOT-PEP's ability to provide the level and quality of support that we used to offer and to identify women when they enter street prostitution, when they are at their most vulnerable. The forthcoming introduction of antisocial behaviour orders against street-based sex workers in Edinburgh could further restrict street-based sex workers' access to the harm reduction and new futures services and support that the SCOT-PEP mobile unit provides. The use of antisocial behaviour orders might further disperse street prostitution across Leith and the rest of the city.The existence of a zone in which soliciting and loitering were decriminalised would enable street-based sex workers to work collectively and to protect one another, and it would remove the need for the partners, minders and protection racketeers to be present. A zone would reintroduce the community barriers to the involvement of minors in street prostitution, drug dealing, pimping and other criminality. It would rebuild the trust and confidence that sex workers require if they are to report crimes against them and it would enable the police to re-establish control and tackle criminality. It would prevent children from being introduced into street prostitution. Finally, it would create real opportunities to target harm reduction and new futures services and support effectively.The designation of a geographic area as a zone within which soliciting and loitering were decriminalised would not present a total solution to the problems around the social phenomenon of prostitution, but it would create opportunities to engage with and protect street-based sex workers. Such opportunities cannot easily be found when street prostitution is dispersed and driven underground. The situation of street-based sex workers in Edinburgh is unacceptable in today's society.The creation of a zone does not in itself represent a condoning of prostitution: rather, it represents acceptance—for better or worse—that prostitution is a part of our world today, and it represents a choice to work to minimise harmful effects on sex workers and the local community.During the period of deterioration in the street-prostitution environment in Edinburgh, SCOT-PEP's services to street-based sex workers have had to be significantly reduced because of the loss over the past two years of new futures project funding, of funding for our work with young people who are involved in prostitution, and of funding for the volunteer development project.We previously provided a service to street-based sex workers five nights a week. In 2002, that was reduced to four nights, in 2003 it was reduced to three nights and, as of 1 March, it has been reduced to two nights. We previously provided five days of office-based support to indoor and street-based sex workers, which was reduced to four days in 2002. As of 1 March this year, that has had to be reduced to two days. Previously, we provided four days provision of our establishment outreach service, which is for indoor sex workers. In 2002 we had to reduce that to three days. As of 1 March, it has been reduced to two days.That is a stark picture for women as vulnerable as are the women in our city today. Each reduction in service provision has led to an outcry from street-based and indoor sex workers, and in a reduction in the level of support that SCOT-PEP is able to provide. With such limited resources, work has been reduced to an Elastoplast service for Edinburgh's sex workers, consisting of drug and sexual harm reduction and crisis intervention, which allows minimal personal development work to be undertaken with indoor or street-based sex workers to enable them to explore their options and routes out of prostitution.It remains SCOT-PEP's belief that to tackle the social phenomenon of prostitution and to protect the health and safety of all sex workers, it is essential that three strands be pursued to combat the nuisance. They relate to the exploitation, the violence and criminality and the abuse that can be associated with the sex industry. The first strand is the prevention of involuntary sex work, rather than of prostitution itself. To remove involuntary sex work, it is essential that poverty, drug use, homelessness and childhood abuse and neglect be tackled. While such phenomena remain within our society, individuals will become involved in prostitution either to address their needs or as a result of coercion.In addition, holistic sex education that focuses on how young people perceive their bodies is essential in order to raise awareness and to prevent all forms of sexual exploitation that occur within and outwith the sex industry. However, such education programmes should recognise that children of sex workers will take part in those programmes. Such education should not seek to stigmatise further or to marginalise sex workers or their families. Instead, it should address the real and tragic harm and danger that is associated with sexual exploitation through prostitution, unwanted sexual relations and unsafe sexual health behaviours.The second strand is harm reduction. Creating an environment in which sex workers can be empowered to work together, and within which self-worth, dignity and respect are nurtured, has a significant impact on violence against, and exploitation of, sex workers. The provision of support and services that reduce the vulnerability and marginalisation of sex workers, while they promote respect for self and others within a non-judgmental environment, has been shown in Edinburgh to reduce the violence, exploitation and exclusion that sex workers experience. That was achieved through a multi-agency approach, with partnership working being a fundamental component of the person-centred approach that was taken in Edinburgh.The designated area was an essential component of the successful harm-reduction strategy that operated in Edinburgh, which succeeded in preventing HIV infections within the sex industry in our city at a time when Edinburgh was seen as being the AIDS capital of Europe, which is a fact that too often we forget. In Edinburgh it is now difficult to see how we can ensure that the harm that has come to those who are involved in the sex industry since the loss of the zone can be reduced without a clear legal framework that enables the city to re-establish a designated area.The third strand is that we should provide support for people to move on from the sex industry. SCOT-PEP has always been committed to supporting those who wish to move on from the sex industry, and to the need to create multiple layers of opportunities and support that enable that. However, we recognise that not all sex workers wish, or are able, to move on immediately. The SCOT-PEP new futures project was accessed by 10 per cent of the sex workers who were in contact with the organisation each year. It provided support to 96 individuals, only 19 of whom remain in contact with SCOT-PEP for support in respect of on-going involvement in the sex industry today.We believe that sex workers must be consulted on the development, implementation and evaluation of any and all strategies that are considered for dealing with the social phenomenon of prostitution. Sex workers should not be perceived as criminals, targets for public health interventions or victims to be assisted, but as citizens with the right to determine their own needs and aspirations.Given that no Government or law-enforcement strategy has managed to eradicate prostitution, let us not abandon those who work in the sex industry today—and those who will work in it next week, next year and into the next decade—as the women of Edinburgh were abandoned in December 2001. We urge the committee to support Margo MacDonald's bill, to address the urgent needs of street-based sex workers in Edinburgh, and to send a message to society that we care about sex workers and about reducing their vulnerability.The committee should note the motion that was moved by the International Union of Sex Workers and the London entertainment branch of the GMB and that was passed at last year's Trades Union Congress women's conference. The motion reads:"The criminalization of many aspects of sex work is responsible for the lack of employment rights,"casualisation,"widespread violence, exploitation and abuse in the global and, for some, profitable sex industry. Legislation does not provide adequate protection for sex workers. Conference recognises that sex workers are a vulnerable group, who need the voice that only the trade union movement can provide. Conference believes that workers in the industry should have:1. Full legal protection from harassment, violence, threats, intimidation and theft2. The consideration of the decriminalization of prostitution with a view to full and proper regulation in the interests of the workforce and the communities in which the industry operates3. The right to the full range of employment, health and safety and contractual rights4. The right to pursue alternative employment with support and assistance provided5. The right to full, voluntary access to all NHS services, including … medical advice."

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The Convener: Lab
For agenda item 2, we will hear further evidence on the Prostitution Tolerance Zones (Scotland) Bill. I welcome back Margo MacDonald MSP, who is the member i...
Ruth Morgan Thomas (SCOT-PEP):
I thank the committee for inviting us to give evidence again. Since we last gave evidence, the situation in Edinburgh has changed—I think that it has become ...
Iain Smith: LD
Thank you for that full presentation. In asking this question, I am not disputing any of the information that you have given on what happened before or after...
Ruth Morgan Thomas:
I believe that the demise of the Edinburgh area was due partly to the lack of a legal framework. An area was identified and the women were relocated, but the...
Iain Smith: LD
Thank you for that explanation. I am not going to get into legal arguments about whether or not the zone would have been successful—I think that that is our ...
Ruth Morgan Thomas:
I believe that there is. I am not saying that it would be easy or that people would welcome a zone in their back yards, but if there was a real commitment fr...
Tommy Sheridan: SSP
I would like to ask a couple of questions that come at the whole issue from the two major standpoints that have emerged so far. The first is on the practical...
Ruth Morgan Thomas:
I am very confident in the evidence's reliability because it comes from sex workers themselves. The reports of the attacks are collected during our night-tim...
George Lewis (SCOT-PEP):
Although we have faith in our recording system, it would not surprise us if the actual figures were much higher than the figures that we have recorded. As Ru...
Tommy Sheridan: SSP
I wanted to hear your opinion for the record because, when I asked the minister and the head of the expert group about the figures, neither was able to chall...
Ruth Morgan Thomas:
In an ideal society, I would certainly want prostitution to be eradicated—I do not think that anyone could sit here and say that they would want prostitution...
Michael McMahon (Hamilton North and Bellshill) (Lab): Lab
It is fascinating to hear your arguments. My eyes have been opened to many issues through considering the bill. In the previous evidence-taking session, much...
Ruth Morgan Thomas:
There is real violence and harm in prostitution as it currently operates in the United Kingdom legal framework as well as in the legal frameworks of many oth...
Michael McMahon: Lab
That brings me on to another point about self-determination. In considering this matter in some detail, I came across a 2003 report, "10 Reasons for Not Lega...
Ruth Morgan Thomas:
I do not believe that we would be. It interests me that people always claim that what sex workers say is orchestrated by the sex industry or by businessmen. ...
Michael McMahon: Lab
We are talking about exploitation and power relationships in society. Marianne Eriksson, of the European Parliament's Committee on Women's Rights and Equal O...
Ruth Morgan Thomas:
I have read it.
Michael McMahon: Lab
She said:"EU Member States have capitulated and, instead of fighting against such exploitation of human beings, have accepted the prevailing situation and, t...
Ruth Morgan Thomas:
The issue is complex. You refer constantly to legalisation. Neither I, personally, nor SCOT-PEP supports the legalisation of the sex industry. That is differ...
Michael McMahon: Lab
We are being asked to pass a bill that would regulate prostitution. I do not think that the two issues can be separated. The only reason why we are discussin...
Ruth Morgan Thomas:
The issue of regulation is about decriminalising two offences, the existence of which phenomenally increases the vulnerability of street-based sex workers.
Michael McMahon: Lab
I am not convinced.
Mr Welsh: SNP
This has been a thoughtful and philosophical session.
Ruth Morgan Thomas:
Much more so than the previous meeting was.
Mr Welsh: SNP
It is useful that it has been so, but I would like to ask about a more factual matter. As you will be aware, following the stage 1 debate on the previous bil...
Ruth Morgan Thomas:
Yes, we have facilitated members of that group to come out on our night-time service provision, because the first phase of its work involves looking solely a...
Mr Welsh: SNP
In your work in the unofficial tolerance zone, how successful were your efforts to support street prostitutes who wished to leave the sex industry and how do...
Ruth Morgan Thomas:
We had funding from Scottish Enterprise for two and half years for our new futures project. As I said, 10 per cent of all the sex workers with whom we had co...
George Lewis:
One of our problems in gaining continuing funding for our new futures scheme was that we were unable to demonstrate that we had been successful. However, as ...
Mr Welsh: SNP
You lay great store on trust and on the relationships that are built up and you are calling for more targeted support services, but such services are, in man...