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The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
That concludes decision time. I would just like to say that, in about one and a half minutes, a reception, which I am to chair, for the consular corps, who have been invited to the Parliament, will begin. If we had not changed our standing orders, we would have had to wait for...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on motion S7M-00397, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on the suspension of standing orders, is: For 108, Against 10, Abstentions 0.Motion agreed to,That the Parliament agrees that, for the purposes of consideration of the legislative consent memorandum ...
Speaker unknown Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)Baker, Claire (Mid Scot...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The final question is, that motion S7M-00397, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on the suspension of standing orders, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that motion S7M-00379, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on the designation of a lead committee, be agreed to.Motion agreed to,That the Parliament agrees that the Economy, Tourism and Energy Committee be designated as the lead committee in consideration of th...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that motion S7M-00378, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on the suspension and variation of standing orders, be agreed to.Motion agreed to,That the Parliament agrees—(a) under Rule 17.2.1(b) to suspend and vary Standing Orders as follows for the purpose of De...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on motion S7M-00367, in the name of Stephen Flynn, on affordable bus fares, as amended, is: For 93, Against 26, Abstentions 0.Motion, as amended, agreed to,That the Parliament recognises the importance of affordable bus services connecting people to ...
Speaker unknown Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)Baker, Claire (Mid Scot...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote will be recorded.
Katherine Sangster (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab) Lab Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I could not connect to the digital voting platform. I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that motion S7M-00367, in the name of Stephen Flynn, on affordable bus fares, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00367.4, in the name of Craig Hoy, is: For 10, Against 107, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForBriggs, Miles (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Con)Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)Eagle, Tim (Highlands and Islands) (Con)Findlay, Russell (West Scotland) (Con)Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)Gallacher, Meghan (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Con...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
The Cabinet Secretary for Climate Action and Rural Affairs (Gillian Martin) SNP Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I could not connect. I would have voted no.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00367.4, in the name of Craig Hoy, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00367, in the name of Stephen Flynn, on affordable bus fares, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00367.3, in the name of Daniel Johnson, is: For 84, Against 26, Abstentions 9.Amendment agreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)Baker, Claire (Mid Scot...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
Kate Nevens (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Green) Green Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My technology did not work. I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00367.3, in the name of Daniel Johnson, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00367, in the name of Stephen Flynn, on affordable bus fares, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00367.1, in the name of Graham Simpson, is: For 23, Against 78, Abstentions 15.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForBannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Baxter, Andrew (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (LD)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bland, Amanda (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform)Cole-Hamilton, Alex (Edinburgh North Western) (LD)Currie, Victor (Highlands and I...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There are seven questions to be put as a result of today’s business.The first question is, that amendment S7M-00367.1, in the name of Graham Simpson, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00367, in the name of Stephen Flynn, on affordable bus fares, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Membe...
Speaker unknown Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Decision Time
17:49
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
The question on the motion will be put at decision time.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
Again, I say with respect that it is not the Government’s place to handhold a committee and talk through the entire process of how it might want to consider such matters. There is a limit to how far I can undertake that exercise. The point is that the Government has engaged wi...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh North Western) (LD) LD Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
The minister will forgive me, because Liberal Democrats are not represented on the Economy, Tourism and Energy Committee, so we are unclear as to the process that has been followed on this occasion. Is he clear that, when he asked the convener of the committee, the convener ha...
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
With the best will in the world, I say to Mr Sweeney that that sounds very much like a matter for the substantive debate on the LCM next week, when Parliament decides to grant or withhold consent. The Scottish Government has taken a position and is presenting that to Parliamen...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
The only consideration operationally in Scotland in relation to the bill would be the Dalzell steelworks in Motherwell, which is a critical industrial facility. Does the minister have an indication of whether the bill will have a direct impact on the operation of and efforts t...
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
I believe that that was communicated to all business managers—that is my understanding—and it was certainly communicated to me. With the best will in the world, I can do only so much to try to facilitate committee consideration. At every opportunity that I have, I will seek to...
Rachael Hamilton Con Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
The minister will know that the committee has not yet met and that the committee members were not aware that the convener had rejected the possibility that we could bring in witnesses next week.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
I was going to come on to that. I recognise that point, and it was considered, given Ms Hamilton’s concerns. There was engagement with the Economy, Tourism and Energy Committee, and the convener of that committee indicated that he was content for the committee not to consider ...
Rachael Hamilton Con Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
We are a powerful Parliament. The Parliamentary Bureau should consider that the committee can request to sit on another day. We have a full week left next week. The committee could request that witnesses give evidence on a day when it does not normally sit—that is entirely pos...
The Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans (Jamie Hepburn) SNP Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
I recognise that it is regrettable that I must stand before Parliament today and ask that it suspend standing orders to allow the first motion on legislative consent in this parliamentary session to come straight to the chamber.By way of background, the UK Government introduce...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
First, I acknowledge that the Scottish Government requested that the United Kingdom legislation be amended to require consent for the exercise of powers in relation to steel undertakings in Scotland, where those powers are exercised for a devolved purpose. That request was not...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
The questions on the motions will be put at decision time.The next item of business is consideration of Parliamentary Bureau motion S7M-00397, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, on suspension of standing orders. I ask Jamie Hepburn, on behalf ...
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
The next item of business is consideration of two Parliamentary Bureau motions. I ask Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, to move motion S7M-00378, on suspension and variation of standing orders, and motion S7M-00379, on designation of lead committee.Motions ...
Speaker unknown Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
17:40
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Business Motion
The next item of business is consideration of business motion S7M-00377, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, setting out a business programme.Motion moved,That the Parliament agrees—(a) the following programme of business—Tuesday 23 June 20262....
Speaker unknown Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Business Motion
17:40
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Law Officers
The result of the division on motion S7M-00380, in the name of John Swinney, on the appointment of law officers, is: For 102, Against 16, Abstentions 0.Motion agreed to,That the Parliament agrees that it be recommended to His Majesty that Ruth Charteris KC be appointed as the ...
Speaker unknown Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Law Officers
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)Baker, Claire (Mid Scot...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Law Officers
Your vote has been recorded.
The Minister for Public Finance (Hannah Mary Goodlad) SNP Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Law Officers
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I would have voted yes as well, but I was not able to.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Law Officers
Your vote has been recorded.
Paul McLennan (East Lothian Coast and Lammermuirs) (SNP) SNP Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Law Officers
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I was unable to connect; I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Law Officers
We come to the vote on motion S7M-00380, in the name of John Swinney, on the appointment of law officers. Members should cast their votes now.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Law Officers
There will be a division. There will be a short suspension to allow members to access the digital voting system.17:34Meeting suspended.17:38On resuming—
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Law Officers
Thank you. That concludes the debate on the appointment of law officers.The question is, that motion S7M-00380, in the name of John Swinney, on the appointment of law officers, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The First Minister SNP Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Law Officers
I thank colleagues for their contributions to the debate. On the specific point that Amanda Bland raised about the conduct of criminal cases, I confirm on the record, as has been confirmed on many occasions in the past, that wherever there is a legal issue in connection with a...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh North Western) (LD) LD Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Law Officers
Before I come to the appointments before the Parliament today, I, too, on behalf of the Scottish Liberal Democrats, pay tribute to Dorothy Bain KC—the second woman to hold the post of Lord Advocate in our country. She was very generous with her time with me, and forgiving of m...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Law Officers
I am pleased to speak in support of the motion recommending the appointment of Ruth Charteris KC as Lord Advocate and Brian Gill KC as Solicitor General for Scotland.Before I turn to the appointments before us, however, I will take a moment to recognise, as other members have,...
Anas Sarwar (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Law Officers
I put on the record my thanks, and the thanks of the Scottish Labour Party, for the work done by Dorothy Bain KC as Lord Advocate over the past five years. Dorothy Bain is a highly regarded professional who has given dedicated service to her country and her profession, and we ...
Amanda Bland (Central Scotland and Lothians West) (Reform) Reform Chamber
17 Jun 2026
Law Officers
The First Minister seeks Parliament’s agreement to recommend to His Majesty the King the appointment of Ruth Charteris KC to the role of Lord Advocate and Brian Gill KC to the role of Solicitor General.The Lord Advocate has a unique position as both the chief legal adviser to ...
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Meeting of the Parliament 16 June 2026 [Draft]

16 Jun 2026 · S7 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Partnership with the Third Sector

Today’s debate on Scotland’s partnership with the third sector is welcome. I hope that we can have an open and collaborative discussion on the best approach to strengthening Scotland’s partnership with a sector that is vital to the economy and society.

The third sector is at the forefront of efforts to tackle poverty, build social cohesion and protect the environment. From grass-roots groups to health and social care organisations, communities depend on the sector for support and advice. These charities and organisations can make a real and lasting difference to families and individuals right across Scotland, and they deserve to be respected and seen for the contribution that they provide.

Scottish Labour welcomes the Government’s motion and its commitment to establish a third sector partnership agreement. Formalising the relationship between the third sector and the Government is long overdue. Scotland is the only part of the UK not to have an established formal partnership with the voluntary sector. Although the approaches taken in Wales and Northern Ireland and by the UK Government are all different, it was welcome to hear the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice and Housing speak about the Welsh approach. We hope that we can learn lessons from some of those agreements, which might help us to take forward some of the points that we want to action.

The agreement presents an opportunity to reset the relationship with the sector, align priorities and deliver on some of the sector’s long-term asks, such as its calls for the introduction of multiyear funding arrangements, which we have all touched on. That is why Scottish Labour has lodged an add-on amendment that makes it clear that multiyear funding should be “foundational” to the agreement. Multiyear funding not only provides more certainty for the sector and allows for better planning but enables charities and organisations to take preventative measures, and it provides long-term savings by removing the costs of repeatedly having to apply for single-year funding—I think that we all recognise that. The sector has consistently asked for multiyear funding, and I hope that the Government will agree that delivery of that should be a top priority and an essential part of the agreement.

Our amendment asks that a greater requirement for due diligence on fair work principles be embedded in the framework. We discussed that in the previous parliamentary session. Given the precariousness of third sector funding, workers often have shorter contracts and less job security. If we are serious about strengthening the Government’s relationship with the sector, consideration of workers’ rights, job protection and proper pay and conditions must be at the forefront. I know that the cabinet secretary accepts that point, and we, on the Labour benches, will do what we can to work with the Government on it.

That is why it is also crucial that the third sector is involved in co-designing the agreement. I welcome the commitment in the Government’s motion to ensure that stakeholders are involved in, and not omitted from, the design process. Current experience from within the third sector tells us that organisations often feel that they do not have a strong relationship with public bodies and that their experience is sometimes not positive. Last week’s debate about the public service reform agenda showed that the Government believes that the third sector will be key to that work, which means that working together is essential. Mutual respect and shared recognition must be at the forefront of the partnership agreement, so I really welcome the commitment from the Government and the cabinet secretary to include the third sector in the co-design process.

As in any partnership, the detail and delivery will be fundamental to success. The partnership must be supported by clear accountability mechanisms and there must be strong leadership at the forefront to drive ambitions and delivery. I have heard about some of that from the cabinet secretary today, and I hope that we can work together on it. The key asks from the sector include the setting out of a clear timetable and road map for developing and implementing the agreement, with clear lines of accountability within the Scottish Government.

There is also the question of who will be subject to the agreement and how smaller independent organisations will be represented and heard. I heard about that from some third sector organisations when I was a member of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. In my experience, some smaller organisations punch above their weight, so we need to include them.

In the past, we have raised the question of how public funds are distributed to the third sector. Are they used effectively? How do we ensure that local charities are prioritised instead of funding always going to national charities or lobbying groups? Perhaps the cabinet secretary or the minister could provide more detail on that during their closing remarks. How do we focus on the grass-roots organisations that are right on the front line? I would welcome the Government’s thoughts on how we can go beyond the larger groups that we usually engage with.

The Liberal Democrat amendment refers to the fact that smaller charities can find that engagement more “difficult”, and Scottish Labour will support that amendment today, because we agree that some of the smaller grass-roots organisations often miss out on funding. We must be clear about whether that is because of the time and effort required to apply repeatedly for funding or whether it is because some of the larger organisations just tend to be favoured. We need to understand that.

I again welcome the Government’s motion and the commitment to the third sector, which has faced precarious short-term funding and has criticised Parliament for that. Today’s motion and many of the amendments look towards a more financially sustainable approach. As others have said, third sector organisations often fill gaps in statutory services. In the light of the public sector reform agenda, the value and role of the third sector must be part of our conversation and part of the development and delivery of the partnership agreement that we have been talking about.

I thank everyone for their contributions to the debate and hope that we can work together to establish a really good working relationship with the third sector, because that will, in turn, mean that our communities will do better.

I move amendment S7M-00356.1, to insert at end:

“; and believes that multi-year funding and stronger due diligence on fair work principles should be foundational to a new Third Sector Partnership Agreement.”

16:03

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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S7M-00356, in the name of Shirley-Anne Somerville, on strengthening Scotland’s partnership with the third sec...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice and Housing (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
Last week, I had the privilege of attending the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations Scottish charity awards. The positive impact of the third sector...
Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I have been thinking about what the cabinet secretary just said about questioning the integrity of the third sector. I assume that she does not mean that it ...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I am certainly not suggesting that people should not question the third sector or, indeed, the Scottish Government on the funding that we give to it. I am sa...
David Linden (Glasgow Baillieston and Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I draw attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests: until last month, I was the chair of Cranhill Development Trust.I very much welcome any m...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
David Linden made a very important point that relates particularly to—but not only to—smaller organisations. The aim is to let them get on with the job; appr...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The cabinet secretary will know that multiyear funding is the third sector’s number 1 ask. Although she is technically correct in saying that the Scottish Go...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
That is exactly why we have been trying to provide a greater level of multiyear funding. Murdo Fraser has gone through enough budget rounds to know that ther...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP
I remind those who wish to move amendments or speak in the debate to press their request-to-speak button.15:50
Julie MacDougall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Reform) Reform
I declare an interest as a trustee of the John MacDougall Mesothelioma Trust and the Glenrothes & Area Heritage Centre. I thank the minister for her comments...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Today’s debate on Scotland’s partnership with the third sector is welcome. I hope that we can have an open and collaborative discussion on the best approach ...
Holly Bruce (Glasgow Southside) (Green) Green
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests, which says that I am a member of Glasgow City Council. I thank the cabinet secretary for c...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Holly Bruce Green
I will respectfully not take an intervention in this debate, but I would be happy to have a conversation with the cabinet secretary offline.If the Government...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I welcome the debate and I pay tribute, as others across the parties have done, to all who work in the third sector. It is a reality that, without the third ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
Mr Fraser, you may wish to wind up and to move your amendment. Thank you.
Murdo Fraser Con
There was a suspicion that that was because those organisations did not want to bite the hand that feeds them.There are many more points that I would make, P...
Morven-May MacCallum (Highlands and Islands) (LD) LD
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
We move to the open debate.16:20
Dawn Black (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests, as I am a serving councillor on Aberdeenshire Council and chair of the charity Kincardine ...
Calum Kerr (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Dawn Black SNP
Yes, I will give way.
Calum Kerr SNP
I thank Dawn Black—Inaudible.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
Is the microphone not working, Mr Kerr? Maybe you have not got your card in, or it might not be in properly. If there is a problem, perhaps you could move to...
Dawn Black SNP
The member can use mine.
Calum Kerr SNP
Is my microphone on now?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab
It is, yes.
Calum Kerr SNP
Okay. Right—we got there. Thank you, Presiding Officer.I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests—until March, I was chair of the Bord...
Dawn Black SNP
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Stuart McMillan (Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests: I am chair of Moving On Inverclyde and I am also an ambassador for Ocean Youth Trust Scotl...