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The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber

That concludes decision time.18:01Members’ business will be published tomorrow, 11 June 2026, as soon as the text is available.The rest of this Official Report will be published progressively as soon as the text is available.

The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber

The result of the division on motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, as amended, is: For 71, Against 50, Abstentions 0.Motion, as amended, agreed to,That the Parliament believes there is a need to restore publi...

Speaker unknown Chamber

ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, ...

The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber

Your vote has been recorded.

Joe Long (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab Chamber

On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I was unable to vote. I would have voted no.

The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber

Your vote has been recorded.

The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government (Jenny Gilruth) SNP Chamber

On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My app would not connect. I would have voted yes.

The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber

There will be a division.The vote is closed.

The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber

The final question is, that motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.

The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber

The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.3, in the name of Russell Findlay, is: For 53, Against 70, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.

Speaker unknown Chamber

ForAhmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)Bannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Baxter, Andrew (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (LD)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bibby, Neil...

The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber

There will be a division.

The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber

The next question is, that amendment S7M-00294.3, in the name of Russell Findlay, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.

The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber

The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.2, in the name of Ross Greer, is: For 70, Against 53, Abstentions 0.Amendment agreed to.

Speaker unknown Chamber

ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, David (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)Beattie, Colin (Midlothi...

The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber

There will be a division.

The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber

The next question is, that amendment S7M-00294.2, in the name of Ross Greer, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.

The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber

The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, is: For 55, Against 68, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.

Speaker unknown Chamber

ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, David (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)Beattie, Colin (Midlothi...

The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber

We move to the vote on amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar. Members should cast their votes now.

The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber

There will be a division.There will be a short suspension to allow members to access the digital voting system.17:53Meeting suspended.17:55On resuming—

The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber

There are four questions to be put as a result of today’s business.I remind members that, if the amendment in the name of Jamie Hepburn is agreed to, the amendment in the name of Ross Greer will fall.The first question is, that amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepbu...

Speaker unknown Chamber

The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber

Business Motion

The next item of business is consideration of business motion S7M-00301, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, setting out a business programme.Motion moved,That the Parliament agrees—(a) the following programme of business—Tuesday 16 June 20262....

Speaker unknown Chamber

Business Motion

The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

That concludes the debate on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics.

Jackie Baillie Lab Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

The minister misunderstands and is clearly not listening. The people of Scotland are interested in those wider questions, but that is not what I am suggesting the inquiry should do. I have been very clear on that point.Let me go back to what Robin McAlpine had to say about dem...

Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

I find it interesting that, although Ms Baillie said that it is not for others to take an interest in the SNP’s internal affairs, she is now talking extensively about the appointment of a KC and the thin nature of our internal governance review. It seems that she is taking an ...

Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

The key and absolute qualification for any First Minister of Scotland is that“that individual must be able to command the trust of the Parliament and the public.”—Official Report, 28 November 2001; c 4118.Those are not my words but those of John Swinney and, on that point, we ...

Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

No, I do not, so let us move on.The point that I was going to make was one that I made earlier: it is important that, as an institution, we focus on matters that are of primary interest and of paramount importance to the people of Scotland. Instead of raising issues like this,...

Russell Findlay Con Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

I remember how sleazy, arrogant and entitled Labour became when it dominated Scottish politics. Does the minister see that at all in his party?

Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

I will give way to Mr Findlay.

Russell Findlay Con Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

Will the member give way?

Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

: —that the SNP has won five elections in a row. It has earned the trust of the people for five elections in a row. It is just a matter of fact—there is no arrogance about it; it is just a reality.I think that it is important that we—

The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

Please speak through the chair.

Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

It was the mindset that Murrell had.

Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

It is not a mindset but a matter of fact—

Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

That is your mindset.

Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

There are two things there. First, the public can be confident that the crime that has been perpetrated has been fully investigated and prosecuted and there is now a plea. I do not think that any of us is suggesting that there is a lack of confidence in that process—I certainl...

Willie Rennie LD Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

That is a very generous offer, but I will have to decline.The minister is talking about the SNP investigating itself. How does that improve the confidence of the public in the Government party in this country?

Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

I do not think that Mr Rennie is one of those SNP members, but maybe he wants to apply to join—we might let him come on board.I will give way one more time, to Mr Rennie.

Willie Rennie LD Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

Will the minister give way?

Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

That brings me to a point that I was going to make later, because it picks up on a point that Willie Rennie made—I see that Mr Rennie is now paying attention to me. He made the point that my party does not want to do anything in response to some of the issues that have arisen ...

Daniel Johnson Lab Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

The minister does not want to accept questions coming from other parts of the chamber. Does he accept that questions are also coming from people who served his party, both in the NEC and in Parliaments? Those people are saying that blocks and obstructions were put in the way o...

Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

I will give way one more time.

Daniel Johnson Lab Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

Will the minister give way?

Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

That was a wonderful pre-prepared line delivered tremendously well, Ms Lindsay. We look forward to much more of that.The past few weeks have been uncomfortable, difficult and very distressing for many of us—I will not pretend otherwise. No one would believe me if I did. Howeve...

Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

The only thing that I would say in response to that is that the SNP lecturing Reform on sleaze is like Lord Mandelson selling ethics lessons. No one is buying it.

Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

I say to Amanda Lindsay that I might take more seriously the notion that my party operated like a syndicate if her party was not one that had been formed as a private limited company that is owned by one individual. Let us just remember where we are all starting from. Interrup...

Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

Yet, when it comes to holding one of its own to account for embezzling party funds, the urgency mysteriously disappears.Meanwhile, Scottish Labour, which called this debate, might want to reflect on its party’s sleazy history. After all, its hero, Lord Mandelson, was twice for...

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

The member must be heard.

Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

Instead of full transparency, we have had silence, deflection and obstruction. The First Minister likes to lecture others about integrity, yet he still refuses to put country before party. If he truly believes in restoring public trust, he must stop hiding behind lawyers and f...

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

No, no, minister. The member does not have to take interventions.

Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

Forgive me, but I wish to make progress.

Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

Will the member give way?

Amanda Lindsay (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform) Reform Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

I support this debate and back calls for a full parliamentary inquiry into the shocking embezzlement of party funds by Peter Murrell.The Scottish people deserve the truth. For years, the SNP has presented itself as a slick, professional political machine. In reality, it has op...

Patrick Harvie Green Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

I think that Anas Sarwar would be horrified if a former or a current leader of a political party told its members how they should vote on a committee decision. Interruption. That is for committees to decide, and I am not going to instruct any—Interruption. Look at him laughing...

Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

Mr Harvie says that committees in this Parliament could investigate certain prosecutions. To clarify, if a motion came to the justice committee, would his party support such an investigation by the justice committee?

Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Chamber

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

I beg your pardon, Presiding Officer. I was just discovering how much some speeches improve when I remove my hearing aids.Sadly, today, we have very much seen the debate that I expected. There has been some opportunistic partisanship dressed up as principled concern, and there...

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Meeting of the Parliament 10 June 2026 [Last updated 18:45]

10 Jun 2026 · S7 · Meeting of the Parliament

Item of business

Public Trust in Scottish Politics

Kerr, Stephen Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

You should be in favour of an inquiry.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP

Before we begin the next item of business, I would like to say that the proceedings against Peter Murrell remain active until he has been sentenced. The sub ...

Anas Sarwar (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab

The choice before us in this debate is simple. Do we believe in honesty, openness, transparency and the rule of law? Is this a Parliament that believes that ...

Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green

I ask this quite sincerely: does Mr Sarwar genuinely believe what he just said—that this is the greatest political scandal in the history of devolution—when ...

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP

I remind members that criminal cases remain active and that the sub judice rule is engaged.

Anas Sarwar Lab

I say gently to Mr Greer that that is a shocking case that relates to individual behaviour, but today we are talking about a systematic culture of cover-up a...

Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green

Made a request to intervene.

Anas Sarwar Lab

If I get the time back, I will happily take an intervention.

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP

You can, Mr Sarwar.

Patrick Harvie Green

I wonder whether Anas Sarwar applies the same principle—if people have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear—to our argument that, if there is to be an ...

Anas Sarwar Lab

I have sympathy for the argument that Patrick Harvie has made, and I have sympathy with the Green amendment. There should be greater transparency on party fi...

The Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans (Jamie Hepburn) SNP

In the interests of transparency, I place on the record that my wife is presently employed by the Scottish National Party and has been since April 2023.I beg...

Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con

I assert that what the minister has said is outrageous. He has called into question the very idea of why we have parliamentary committees and parliamentary i...

Jamie Hepburn SNP

I am not convinced that that intervention was particularly worth hearing. We presumably all accept the objective fact that the issue in question is the forme...

Stephen Kerr Con

You should be in favour of an inquiry.

Jamie Hepburn SNP

If the member is suggesting that it is not the Scottish National Party that is the victim in this case, I do not know who he thinks the victim is.This picks ...

Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab

Will the minister give way?

Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh North Western) (LD) LD

Will he give way?

Jamie Hepburn SNP

Not at the moment.I believe that the Parliament has a proud and good record of constructive committee work. It is not always easy or straightforward. It is w...

Michael Marra Lab

Will the minister give way?

Jamie Hepburn SNP

Can I check, Presiding Officer: if I give way, will I get the time back?

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP

Yes. The Presiding Officer has agreed that that should be the case for all debates if you take an intervention.

Michael Marra Lab

I appreciate the minister giving way. Would he not recognise that there is a question of public money paid in Short money to the SNP? There are questions of ...

Jamie Hepburn SNP

Any of those questions will be dealt with by the Electoral Commission. That issue has already been raised in Parliament. The question was asked of the First ...

Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab

It was about HMRC.

Jamie Hepburn SNP

I think that the question was about Short money, Ms Baillie, and it would be a matter for the Electoral Commission.

Alex Cole-Hamilton LD

Will the minister give way?

Jamie Hepburn SNP

I will give way one more time, to Mr Cole-Hamilton.

Alex Cole-Hamilton LD

The minister suggests that it would be inappropriate for a committee of inquiry to investigate the issue, but we have the Standards, Procedures and Public Ap...

Jamie Hepburn SNP

Government ministers are, quite correctly, accountable for their Government ministerial responsibilities, and they will be held to account by the Parliament....

Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab

Will the minister give way?