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The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
That concludes decision time.18:01Members’ business will be published tomorrow, 11 June 2026, as soon as the text is available.The rest of this Official Report will be published progressively as soon as the text is available.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, as amended, is: For 71, Against 50, Abstentions 0.Motion, as amended, agreed to,That the Parliament believes there is a need to restore publi...
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
Joe Long (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I was unable to vote. I would have voted no.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government (Jenny Gilruth) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My app would not connect. I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The final question is, that motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.3, in the name of Russell Findlay, is: For 53, Against 70, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAhmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)Bannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Baxter, Andrew (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (LD)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bibby, Neil...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00294.3, in the name of Russell Findlay, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.2, in the name of Ross Greer, is: For 70, Against 53, Abstentions 0.Amendment agreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, David (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)Beattie, Colin (Midlothi...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00294.2, in the name of Ross Greer, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, is: For 55, Against 68, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, David (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)Beattie, Colin (Midlothi...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
We move to the vote on amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar. Members should cast their votes now.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.There will be a short suspension to allow members to access the digital voting system.17:53Meeting suspended.17:55On resuming—
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There are four questions to be put as a result of today’s business.I remind members that, if the amendment in the name of Jamie Hepburn is agreed to, the amendment in the name of Ross Greer will fall.The first question is, that amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepbu...
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
17:53
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Business Motion
The next item of business is consideration of business motion S7M-00301, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, setting out a business programme.Motion moved,That the Parliament agrees—(a) the following programme of business—Tuesday 16 June 20262....
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Business Motion
17:52
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That concludes the debate on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics.
Jackie Baillie Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The minister misunderstands and is clearly not listening. The people of Scotland are interested in those wider questions, but that is not what I am suggesting the inquiry should do. I have been very clear on that point.Let me go back to what Robin McAlpine had to say about dem...
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I find it interesting that, although Ms Baillie said that it is not for others to take an interest in the SNP’s internal affairs, she is now talking extensively about the appointment of a KC and the thin nature of our internal governance review. It seems that she is taking an ...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The key and absolute qualification for any First Minister of Scotland is that“that individual must be able to command the trust of the Parliament and the public.”—Official Report, 28 November 2001; c 4118.Those are not my words but those of John Swinney and, on that point, we ...
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
No, I do not, so let us move on.The point that I was going to make was one that I made earlier: it is important that, as an institution, we focus on matters that are of primary interest and of paramount importance to the people of Scotland. Instead of raising issues like this,...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I remember how sleazy, arrogant and entitled Labour became when it dominated Scottish politics. Does the minister see that at all in his party?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I will give way to Mr Findlay.
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the member give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
: —that the SNP has won five elections in a row. It has earned the trust of the people for five elections in a row. It is just a matter of fact—there is no arrogance about it; it is just a reality.I think that it is important that we—
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Please speak through the chair.
Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
It was the mindset that Murrell had.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
It is not a mindset but a matter of fact—
Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That is your mindset.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
There are two things there. First, the public can be confident that the crime that has been perpetrated has been fully investigated and prosecuted and there is now a plea. I do not think that any of us is suggesting that there is a lack of confidence in that process—I certainl...
Willie Rennie LD Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That is a very generous offer, but I will have to decline.The minister is talking about the SNP investigating itself. How does that improve the confidence of the public in the Government party in this country?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I do not think that Mr Rennie is one of those SNP members, but maybe he wants to apply to join—we might let him come on board.I will give way one more time, to Mr Rennie.
Willie Rennie LD Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the minister give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That brings me to a point that I was going to make later, because it picks up on a point that Willie Rennie made—I see that Mr Rennie is now paying attention to me. He made the point that my party does not want to do anything in response to some of the issues that have arisen ...
Daniel Johnson Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The minister does not want to accept questions coming from other parts of the chamber. Does he accept that questions are also coming from people who served his party, both in the NEC and in Parliaments? Those people are saying that blocks and obstructions were put in the way o...
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I will give way one more time.
Daniel Johnson Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the minister give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That was a wonderful pre-prepared line delivered tremendously well, Ms Lindsay. We look forward to much more of that.The past few weeks have been uncomfortable, difficult and very distressing for many of us—I will not pretend otherwise. No one would believe me if I did. Howeve...
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The only thing that I would say in response to that is that the SNP lecturing Reform on sleaze is like Lord Mandelson selling ethics lessons. No one is buying it.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I say to Amanda Lindsay that I might take more seriously the notion that my party operated like a syndicate if her party was not one that had been formed as a private limited company that is owned by one individual. Let us just remember where we are all starting from. Interrup...
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Yet, when it comes to holding one of its own to account for embezzling party funds, the urgency mysteriously disappears.Meanwhile, Scottish Labour, which called this debate, might want to reflect on its party’s sleazy history. After all, its hero, Lord Mandelson, was twice for...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The member must be heard.
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Instead of full transparency, we have had silence, deflection and obstruction. The First Minister likes to lecture others about integrity, yet he still refuses to put country before party. If he truly believes in restoring public trust, he must stop hiding behind lawyers and f...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
No, no, minister. The member does not have to take interventions.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Ah, come on!
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Forgive me, but I wish to make progress.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the member give way?
Amanda Lindsay (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform) Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I support this debate and back calls for a full parliamentary inquiry into the shocking embezzlement of party funds by Peter Murrell.The Scottish people deserve the truth. For years, the SNP has presented itself as a slick, professional political machine. In reality, it has op...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I think that Anas Sarwar would be horrified if a former or a current leader of a political party told its members how they should vote on a committee decision. Interruption. That is for committees to decide, and I am not going to instruct any—Interruption. Look at him laughing...
Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Mr Harvie says that committees in this Parliament could investigate certain prosecutions. To clarify, if a motion came to the justice committee, would his party support such an investigation by the justice committee?
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I beg your pardon, Presiding Officer. I was just discovering how much some speeches improve when I remove my hearing aids.Sadly, today, we have very much seen the debate that I expected. There has been some opportunistic partisanship dressed up as principled concern, and there...
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Meeting of the Parliament 05 February 2026 [Draft]

05 Feb 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Mountain, Edward Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I congratulate Monica Lennon on introducing the bill. I know that she has put a huge amount of work into it, and we have had a good discussion at stage 1. I thank all those who engaged with the committee during our scrutiny of the bill and, in particular, the committee members and our clerks for their hard work and diligence during the process.

The committee agreed from the start that this is a debate worth having. There is a case to be made for strengthening the law. We heard views that the current legal framework lacks an apex offence for serious environmental damage, with penalties to match. We heard about the potential deterrent effect that the new offence might create and how it might influence corporate behaviour for the good, even if prosecutions are rare. We heard views that it would be one way—not necessarily the only way—to keep pace with revised European law.

However, the committee also found two other things. First, the evidence as to whether there is much of a gap in the law is finely balanced. Regulators and prosecutors told us that the existing powers—in particular, section 40 of the Regulatory Reform (Scotland) Act 2014—appear to be more than capable of addressing quite serious harm. They struggled to identify examples of cases that would clearly have met the proposed ecocide threshold.

Secondly, and even more importantly, our scrutiny found significant concerns about the clarity and workability of definitions of key terms in the bill such as “severe environmental harm”, “widespread” and “serious adverse effects”. Prosecutors and regulators emphasised the importance of legal certainty, especially if prosecution could mean a huge fine or a long spell in prison. Doubts were raised about whether some of the current drafting has the legal certainty that is required.

There was also a concern about unintended consequences. I referred to the potential deterrent effect as an argument for the bill. It could affect risk appetite, but there is another side of the coin. The bill does not provide a defence of carrying out permitted activities or exercising lawful functions, such as approving a planning application. We heard serious concerns about that. We heard that the bill could have a chilling effect on decision makers.

Then there are the practical challenges of enforcement, such as those of establishing the thought process in complex corporate cases, of getting right the detail of employer liability and of allowing alternative convictions if the jury is not persuaded that the conduct was bad enough to justify a finding of ecocide. There is also the fact that the current section 40 offence has barely been used at all. Why is that? That needs to be looked at.

If the Parliament agrees to the general principles of the bill, those issues are not going to go away. The committee was not unanimous on the general principles, but all of us agreed that if the bill reaches stage 2, evidence will need to be taken on those matters—including views from experts on the wording of the proposed amendments. Most of us doubted that there was sufficient time left to get it right and ensure that we have a robust, workable law on the statute book. It is fair to say that I am concerned about where we go from here.

There are two bits of unsolicited advice that I give to the members in the next parliamentary session, from somebody who will not be here in May. First, please let us not have members’ bills on complex, controversial issues introduced so late in the parliamentary session. It is unfair on the member in charge of the bill and on the lead committee. It is not where we should start from if we want to make good law.

Secondly, let us not have another Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee, with its near-impossible remit—it is far too wide and diverse and there are far too many issues to keep on top of. At a point at which some other committees might be winding down, as a committee, we are busier than ever, with the scrutiny of the draft climate change plan coming to a head, loads of important subordinate legislation, legislative consent memorandums on other matters, and the latest issues on ferries—to mention nothing about the Railways Bill.

If the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill proceeds, I will, of course, respect the will of the Parliament and try to adhere to whatever deadlines are set. However, I want to be crystal clear that it will be a serious challenge to scrutinise the bill in the time that remains, to make good law and to make sure that it is effective. Personally, I do not believe that it is a challenge that we can achieve.

14:37

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20606, in the name of Monica Lennon, on the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I invite members who wish...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I begin by declaring a financial interest, which is listed in my entry in the register of interests: I have received in-kind support from Stop Ecocide Intern...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I call Edward Mountain to speak on behalf of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.14:32
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I congratulate Monica Lennon on introducing the bill. I know that she has put a huge amount of work into it, and we have had a good discussion at stage 1. I ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Climate Action and Energy (Gillian Martin) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to contribute to the debate on Monica Lennon’s Ecocide (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. The protection of our natural environmen...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Does the cabinet secretary agree that the changes would have to be so substantial that it would only be right for the committee to take more evidence on what...
Gillian Martin SNP
I respect what the convener said in that regard. As he pointed out and as I know as the former convener of two committees, a judgment is made on behalf of co...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
We have reached the crunch time of our parliamentary session, when bills such as the one that we are debating simply do not have the time and space to be deb...
Monica Lennon Lab
I declare an interest as a fellow member of the committee, although I was recused from scrutiny of the bill.I recognise that, like other committees, the comm...
Douglas Lumsden Con
I absolutely trust that Monica Lennon would not waste any parliamentary time, but we have to respect the deadlines and timescales that are set out in our sta...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I, too, thank Monica Lennon for her work on the bill and for introducing it in Parliament. I know just how much work is required to introduce a bill in our P...
Edward Mountain Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Sarah Boyack Lab
I apologise, but I have only four minutes.That is important, because the potential impact of deterrence would have to be backed up by guidance and training f...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I thank Monica Lennon for bringing forward Scotland’s first ever ecocide legislation. I was delighted to be at the launch of her bill in Edinburgh a couple o...
Edward Mountain Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Mark Ruskell Green
If there is time in hand, I will.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
There is a bit of time.
Edward Mountain Con
Given the concerns that you have raised, do you believe, as I do, that, if the bill proceeds, it is really important that we get any amendments in early, so ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Always speak through the chair.
Mark Ruskell Green
I agree with our convener. We almost need a form of expedited process. I am not talking about a change to standing orders; I simply mean that we need a way o...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I call Liam McArthur to open on behalf of the Scottish Liberal Democrats.14:57
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I join others in congratulating Monica Lennon on getting a bill to this stage, as I know only too well that, irrespective of the complexity of the bill, it t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
We will now move to the open debate. There is a small amount of time in hand at this point, but we will see how that goes.15:00
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP
I commend Monica Lennon for introducing the bill and for her tenacity in getting it to this stage.The word “ecocide” is from the Greek “oikos”, which means h...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I reiterate that there is a bit of time in hand, so I am able to be a wee bit generous. If that time gets used up, I will let members know15:06
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
In the coming weeks, I will be leaving this Parliament for the very last time. When I was first elected 10 years ago, I vowed in coming here to leave the wor...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
I have no truck with the shooting lobby, but as a member of the Parliament who is on the committee that is scrutinising the bill, is it right that we scrutin...
Richard Leonard Lab
The point that I am making is that there has been talk in briefings that we have received about unintended consequences. The overarching purpose of this bill...
Elena Whitham (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in support of the bill, because, at its heart, the legislation is about justice: justice for our environment, justice for our communiti...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I call Bob Doris.15:15