Committee
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee 28 January 2025
28 Jan 2025 · S6 · Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Item of business
Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I am grateful to the minister for taking an intervention. It perhaps speaks to the point in my previous amendment about understanding the difference between taking something out of legislation and putting it into rules. If we all agree with the principles that I described about natural justice and ensuring that people have a statement about why a decision has been taken, why would that measure not be included in legislation to ensure the security of that principle, because it would have legal backing? Why would we move it into rules? If the minister is confident in her assertion that the SLCC will include it in the rules, I do not see the issue with it remaining in statute.
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SNP
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The Convener
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SNP
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Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green)
Green
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The Convener
SNP
As no other members wish to come in, I call the minister to wind up.
Siobhian Brown
SNP
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The Convener
SNP
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Siobhian Brown
SNP
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The Convener
SNP
Amendment 557, in the name of Paul O’Kane, is grouped with amendments 558 to 560, 643, 563, 316, 564, 565, 571, 573, 578, 582, 590, 605 and 640. I remind mem...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
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Siobhian Brown
SNP
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Paul O’Kane
Lab
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Siobhian Brown
SNP
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The Convener
SNP
I see that no other members wish to speak, so I call Paul O’Kane to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 557.
Paul O’Kane
Lab
Inaudible.
The Convener
SNP
We will suspend for a few moments to deal with the technical problems that we are having. 10:00 Meeting suspended. 10:02 On resuming—
The Convener
SNP
Welcome back. I call Paul O’Kane to wind up, and to press or withdraw amendment 557.
Paul O’Kane
Lab
I will wind up on the amendments. I think that we are all trying to push towards a similar outcome in this debate, which is that there should be a process e...
The Convener
SNP
The question is that amendment 557 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener
SNP
There will be a division. As this is our first division, I remind members to show their vote by raising their hand. For O’Kane, Paul (West Scotland) (Lab)...
The Convener
SNP
The result of the division is: For 1, Against 5, Abstentions 1. Amendment 557 disagreed to. Amendments 558 to 560 not moved. Amendment 314 moved—Siobhian ...
The Convener
SNP
Amendment 572, in the name of Paul O’Kane, is in a group on its own.
Paul O’Kane
Lab
Amendment 572 is a relatively simple amendment that would leave out section 54(7) of the bill. As drafted, section 54(7) would repeal section 12 of the Legal...
Siobhian Brown
SNP
Amendment 572 seeks to reinstate the express provision contained in section 12 of the Legal Profession and Legal Aid (Scotland) Act 2007 on how the SLCC must...
Paul O’Kane
Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Siobhian Brown
SNP
Yes.
Paul O’Kane
Lab
I am grateful to the minister for taking an intervention. It perhaps speaks to the point in my previous amendment about understanding the difference between ...
Siobhian Brown
SNP
I will come to that further along, but as I said when we debated the previous group, the SLCC will have to go to consultation with the Lord President, Scotti...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you. I ask Paul O’Kane to press or withdraw amendment 572.
Paul O’Kane
Lab
I do not intend to say too much more, other than that I think that this amendment is about ensuring that there is a provision in the bill to ensure natural j...