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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Action Mesothelioma Day 2026
That concludes the debate. I wish members, their staff and everyone else who works on the parliamentary campus a wonderful recess.Meeting closed at 18:10.
Alison Thewliss SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Action Mesothelioma Day 2026
Paul Sweeney makes a very good point, because the issue is wrapped up in our post-industrial legacy. The fact that there are such abandoned factories and that the people who enter them—whether for urban exploration or whatever else—do not understand the risks that they are exp...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Action Mesothelioma Day 2026
As a member of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee, I welcome the news on the proposed legislation, which is very welcome. Indeed, it is something that has been long hoped for.Does the minister share my concern about the fact that the former Cape Marinite factory in ...
Alison Thewliss SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Action Mesothelioma Day 2026
I hope to be able to introduce the bill by the end of the year, but the member will appreciate that parliamentary timescales prevent me from giving a specific date at the moment. She is correct in saying that justice delayed is justice denied. I hope that all members, as well ...
Marie McNair SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Action Mesothelioma Day 2026
I am delighted to hear it. I welcome today’s announcement on the time bar issue, which I know will be well received by asbestos sufferers and campaigners. Does the minister accept that, on this issue, justice delayed is justice denied? Can she tell us how quickly the Governmen...
The Minister for Community Care (Alison Thewliss) SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Action Mesothelioma Day 2026
I thank my colleague Marie McNair for bringing this debate to the chamber, which she has now done for a fifth year. I also thank all members—both those who spoke and those who were not able to speak today—for their presence and thoughtful contributions. As Carol Mochan mention...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Action Mesothelioma Day 2026
I invite the minister to close the debate.17:58
Heather Anderson (Dundee City West) (SNP) SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Action Mesothelioma Day 2026
I, too, thank Marie McNair for securing the debate and bringing this important motion to the chamber today.I start by stressing how important it is that we continue to raise awareness of mesothelioma. I do not have a family member who contracted the disease, but I saw a poster...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Action Mesothelioma Day 2026
I thank Marie McNair for bringing this important debate to the chamber and I welcome action mesothelioma day 2026, which will be marked on 3 July.I am pleased, in the years that I have been in Parliament, to have played my part in joining Marie McNair and other members to rais...
Colm Merrick (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Action Mesothelioma Day 2026
I welcome the opportunity to contribute to today’s debate, which marks action mesothelioma day 2026. I understand that it is a long-standing tradition to mark the date each year in the Scottish Parliament, so I thank Marie McNair for continuing the tradition and highlighting t...
Helen McDade (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Reform) Reform Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Action Mesothelioma Day 2026
I apologise for joining the debate slightly late.I am speaking mainly on behalf of Julie MacDougall, but I have an interest in the matter because both of my grandfathers were miners and died of lung disease, although I did not know either of them, because they died so long ago...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Action Mesothelioma Day 2026
I congratulate Marie McNair on bringing the motion to the chamber for debate and on her consistent championing of the cause.Asbestos was finally completely banned in 1999, the same year that the Parliament was established. Although it might therefore be tempting to associate i...
Pauline Stafford (Bathgate) (SNP) SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Action Mesothelioma Day 2026
I thank Marie McNair for her long-standing commitment to the cause of action on mesothelioma and for bringing this important debate to the chamber ahead of action mesothelioma day 2026.I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak in the debate, as I have a close relative in E...
Marie McNair (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Action Mesothelioma Day 2026
This is the fifth year that I have managed to secure a debate to mark mesothelioma day. My determination to secure truth and justice for asbestos victims and their families will never wane. I thank those members who have supported my motion and those who are speaking in today’...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Action Mesothelioma Day 2026
Our final item of business is a debate on motion S7M-00343, in the name of Marie McNair, on action mesothelioma day 2026. The debate will be concluded without any question being put.Motion debated,That the Parliament recognises Action Mesothelioma Day 2026, which will be marke...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
That concludes decision time.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Unless any member objects, I propose to ask a single question on two Parliamentary Bureau motions.The question is, that motion S7M-00492, on committee membership, and motion S7M-00505, on membership of the Congress of Local and Regional Authorities of the Council of Europe, in...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that motion S7M-00455, in the name of Stephen Kerr, on the Scottish Commission for Public Audit, be agreed to.Motion agreed to,That the Parliament agrees to the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body’s proposal to appoint Miles Briggs, Michael Marra, Jenni...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on motion S7M-00469, in the name of Neil Gray, on achieving a sustainable prison population, as amended, is: For 89, Against 31, Abstentions 0.Motion, as amended, agreed to,That the Parliament recognises the scale and complexity of the current prison...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Well done.The next question is, that motion S7M-00469, in the name of Neil Gray, on achieving a sustainable prison population, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00469.4, in the name of Yi-pei Chou Turvey, be agreed to.Amendment agreed to.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00469.5, in the name of Stephen Kerr, is: For 26, Against 78, Abstentions 15.Amendment disagreed to.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00469.5, in the name of Stephen Kerr, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00469.3, in the name of Maggie Chapman, is: For 16, Against 104, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00469.3, in the name of Maggie Chapman, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00469.1, in the name of Amanda Bland, is: For 26, Against 94, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
I trust you. You do not need to show me the evidence.Thank you. Your vote is recorded.
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Care (Angela Constance) SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My app would not connect. I would have voted no.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00469.1, in the name of Amanda Bland, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00469.2, in the name of Pauline McNeill, is: For 65, Against 53, Abstentions 0.Amendment agreed to.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Thank you. Your vote is recorded.
Kate Nevens (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Green) Green Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My technology did not work. I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Thank you. Your vote is recorded.You have started something. I call Kate Nevens.
The Minister for Victims and Community Safety (Kirsten Oswald) SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I had difficulty voting. I would have voted no.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Thank you. Your vote is recorded.
Calum Kerr (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I do not think that my vote went through. I would have voted no.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
We come to the vote on amendment S7M-00469.2, in the name of Pauline McNeill. Members should cast their votes now.The vote is closed.Calum Kerr has just sneaked in with a point of order.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division. First, we will halt to enable members to enter the voting system.17:13Meeting suspended.17:15On resuming—
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next item of business is decision time. There are eight questions to be put as a result of today’s business. I remind members that, if the amendment in the name of Amanda Bland is agreed to, the amendment in the name of Stephen Kerr will fall. If the amendment in the name ...
Speaker unknown Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Decision Time
17:12
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
The question on those motions will be put at decision time.
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
The next item of business is consideration of two Parliamentary Bureau motions. I ask Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, to move motions S7M-00492, on committee membership, and S7M-00505, on membership of the Congress of Local and Regional Authorities of the...
Speaker unknown Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
17:12
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Scottish Commission for Public Audit
The question on the motion will be put at decision time.
Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Scottish Commission for Public Audit
The Scottish Commission for Public Audit performs an important role in our system of public accountability. It does not examine the spending decisions of Government; instead, it oversees Audit Scotland, scrutinising Audit Scotland’s budget and helping to ensure that the organi...
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Scottish Commission for Public Audit
The next item of business is consideration of motion S7M-00455, in the name of Stephen Kerr, on behalf of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body, on membership of the Scottish Commission for Public Audit.17:10
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Point of Order
Thank you.
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Point of Order
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. Despite Jenny Gilruth, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government, declaring for me my entry in the register of members’ interests after her statement on non-domestic rates on Tuesday, I failed to do so myself. I feel that it...
Speaker unknown Chamber
25 Jun 2026
Point of Order
17:10
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
25 Jun 2026
National Health Service Capital Projects
That concludes questions on NHS capital projects.
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
National Health Service Capital Projects
In-depth work is continuing around the revenue-based funding model to enable the three pilot areas that I mentioned in my statement to proceed; that includes the project in Mr Barratt’s constituency. The focus is on a standardised approach so that we can make best use of publi...
David Barratt (Cowdenbeath) (SNP) SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
National Health Service Capital Projects
I thank the cabinet secretary for her statement. I will pick up on investment in community health hubs and, specifically, the replacement of Lochgelly health centre. Can the cabinet secretary advise whether a decision will be made on the funding model—for example, the potentia...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
National Health Service Capital Projects
I agree with the member that there are always lessons to be learned in every journey travelled. I assure her that, in this instance, lessons will be learned. I am more than happy to meet staff and union representatives.In the interest of expediency and time, I will write to th...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland and Lothians West) (Green) Green Chamber
25 Jun 2026
National Health Service Capital Projects
There are lessons to be learned from this situation, but that will be of little comfort to the staff and patients who are dealing with an old hospital. Right now, it is 30°C in some parts of Monklands hospital, wall trims are held on with duct tape and there are historical iss...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
National Health Service Capital Projects
I recognise the importance of investment in facilities such as the new Port Glasgow health centre and of improvements to Inverclyde royal hospital. Planning work on a replacement health centre continues, and I will ensure that local members are kept up to date on that.The deci...
Stuart McMillan (Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2026
National Health Service Capital Projects
Can the cabinet secretary provide any details about when funding will be in place to replace the Port Glasgow health centre with a new health hub? Can she advise when there will be investment to improve the fabric of Inverclyde royal hospital?
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Meeting of the Parliament 19 March 2024

19 Mar 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Grahame, Christine SNP Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale Watch on SPTV

The arguments that I will make in support of amendment 38 apply equally to amendment 39. Of the other amendments in the group, my intention is to reference in detail only the Scottish Government’s amendment 11. I do not support licensing, but I will speak to that amendment specifically.

Amendment 38 would delete words in section 1(1), to make it read, “It is an offence for a person to use a glue trap for the purpose of killing or taking any animal other than an invertebrate.” It would be an outright ban on glue traps, except for use on invertebrates.

As far as I knew, until Tuesday of last week, that was the Government’s position. However, then up popped amendment 11 in the name of the Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity, Jim Fairlie. I welcome the minister to his position, but I will not make life easy for him.

Amendment 11 would insert after section 3:

Authorisation for use, supply or possession of glue trap

(1) The Scottish Ministers may, by regulations, make a scheme for the authorisation of the use, supply or possession of glue traps (“the scheme”)—

(a) by specified persons,

(b) in specified circumstances.”

I will pre-empt the Government’s argument: it will continue to say that its policy position is a belief in an outright ban. However, I am interested in the law, which is fixed—and, in this case, would not be an outright ban, because, if amendment 11 is agreed to, there will be an opening, notwithstanding that it would be in very peculiar circumstances, for the Government to introduce a licensing scheme. In common parlance, it is not a ban. What is policy is distinct from what is legal.

To look at the Government’s history on the issue, its policy memorandum, which it put out when it was consulting and which was introduced with the bill on 21 March 2023, said specifically that the bill will

“Ban the use and purchase of glue traps”.

Relevant to sections 1 to 3, it says that those are

“devices used for a variety of purposes, primarily to control ground rodents ... glue traps work by placing them along areas where rats and mice are likely to frequent. Once the animal steps onto the board it is then firmly stuck to it and is unable to free itself. Once an animal is captured the intention is that the glue trap can be retrieved and the animal dispatched.”

The memorandum also details that

“There has been significant and ongoing concern regarding the welfare implications of the use of ... glue traps. They can result in prolonged suffering ... are indiscriminate in nature”

and can unintentionally trap non-target species.

I am not against the trapping and capturing of rodents; I am against the use of glue traps. That is a very specific complaint.

14:30  

In response to concerns by animal welfare groups in petition PE1671 to the Scottish Parliament, which called for a ban on the sale and use of glue traps, the Government sought advice from the independent Scottish Animal Welfare Commission.

On 23 March 2021, the SAWC published a report that acknowledged that there are

“certain high-risk situations that clearly require effective and rapid pest control.”

It went on to say that the SAWC was

“not convinced that evidence exists supporting the view that glue traps are genuinely the only method of last resort”

and gave examples of other effective alternative methods.

The report acknowledged the animal welfare impacts of the use of glue traps. It concluded that

“there is no way that glue traps can be used without causing animal suffering”

and that they pose

“an undeniable risk of capture of non-target species.”

It further stated that its preferred recommendation was that

“animal welfare issues connected with the use of glue traps would justify an immediate outright ban on their sale and use.”

I highlight the words “outright ban.”

It is no wonder that I, and others, believed that the Scottish Government’s position was unequivocal: that there should be an outright ban on glue traps—no regulations in the future and no parking the issue for some other legislation. Indeed, that was reinforced by a string of answers to parliamentary questions. In the interest of time, I will only quote a few.

On 20 January 2022, Siobhian Brown, who is now a minister, asked an oral question on the ban and was told:

“we will introduce legislation to ban glue traps in this parliamentary term”—[Official Report, 20 January 2022; c 4.]

On 31 May 2022, Màiri McAllan said:

“we have committed to ending use of glue traps, which is a particularly cruel and harmful practice.”—[Official Report, 31 May 2022; c 92.]

In June 2022, in answer to a written question from Sandesh Gulhane, who had raised issues about health, Màiri McAllan replied:

“I set out our plans to introduce a ban on the sale and use of glue traps.”—[Written Answers, 10 June 2022; S6W-09084.]

In October 2022, Màiri McAllan made reference to work that was on-going on “banning glue traps”.

Throughout all that, in my foolishness, I thought that we were banning glue traps.

At stage 2, Edward Mountain—quite rightly—lodged amendments relating to a licensing scheme that he wanted to introduce in certain circumstances. There was a debate. Then, in response to what the minister said, he did not pursue the amendments and said that we would come back to them later. He said:

“However, it is especially important in relation to food. The only way of ensuring that is to use a glue trap. I know from personal experience that you can set snap traps for vermin such as rats and mice, but they can become trap shy, and some of them are pretty clever.”

He went on to say:

“I do not see any reason why that should not be allowed, especially if the glue traps are set and checked within a set period. I think that that is a humane way of doing it.”

Although I disagree with him, he was entitled to say that. The response from Gillian Martin, who was the Minister for Energy and the Environment at that time, was:

“Edward Mountain’s amendment 176 would allow members of the public to use glue traps to control rats and mice in educational, catering or medical premises. The Scottish Animal Welfare Commission published a report on glue traps that concluded that

‘animal welfare issues connected with the use of glue traps would justify an immediate outright ban on their sale and use.’

Because of the weight of evidence that glue traps are the least humane method of rodent control and that they cause unacceptable levels of suffering to the animals that are caught by them, continuing to allow their use was not considered to be a viable option. More than three quarters of respondents to our consultation also agreed that glue traps should be banned completely in Scotland.”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 7 February 2024; c 3, 5.]

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In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
Our next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with amendments, members should have the...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 1 is on glue traps. Amendment 38, in the name of Christine Grahame, is grouped with amendments 39, 40, 1, 41, 2, 3, 42, 4 to 6, 43, 44, 7 to 11, and 29...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
The arguments that I will make in support of amendment 38 apply equally to amendment 39. Of the other amendments in the group, my intention is to reference i...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Could you please bring your remarks to a conclusion?
Christine Grahame SNP
I am bringing them to a conclusion. The point that I am making—which deserves to be re-emphasised—is that, until stage 3, there was no notion that we would...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Glue traps are barbaric, cruel and indiscriminate. Rats and mice, and sometimes non-target species, that are stuck in traps often remain there until the pers...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Colin Smyth Lab
I am sure that Edward Mountain will have an opportunity to speak in the debate, but I will still give way to him at this point.
Edward Mountain Con
I thank the member for giving way. Twice this afternoon I have heard non-target species being mentioned. In the environments that we are talking about—inside...
Colin Smyth Lab
Any animal crossing a glue trap will be caught. The reality is that the cruelty to rats and mice is absolutely clear for everyone to see. No matter who sets ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call the minister to speak to amendment 1 and other amendments in the group.
The Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity (Jim Fairlie) SNP
I fully understand Ms Grahame’s reasons for lodging her amendments, but I am unable to support them. When introducing criminal offences, it is common to fra...
Christine Grahame SNP
How can someone have a reasonable excuse for doing something that is banned?
Jim Fairlie SNP
I will come on to that question as I get through my notes. Under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, it is an offence to knowingly cause or permit someon...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Given that the minister and his predecessors had ample time to raise concerns around a total ban on glue traps, why was it that there was—as Colin Smyth said...
Jim Fairlie SNP
Clearly, Finlay Carson is setting the tone of the debate today. I will come on to why we have an enabling power. I turn to my amendments in the group. To pu...
Finlay Carson Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Jim Fairlie SNP
I will not, at the moment. The power sets out that the scheme can be used only to allow authorisations where no other method of rodent control is practicab...
Finlay Carson Con
I will try again. In the spirit of the debate and of passing legislation, will the minister lay out when he first heard the concerns of the British Pest Cont...
Jim Fairlie SNP
We lodged the amendments to allow the enabling power because we had listened. We heard that people were genuinely concerned. Your colleague, who is sitting b...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Always speak through the chair, please.
Jim Fairlie SNP
We listened to those concerns, and it would be prudent in the extreme to make sure that we have something in place, just in case there is an emergency. The...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Edward Mountain to speak to amendment 41 and other amendments in the group.
Edward Mountain Con
I start by saying that I fear that I might be on the other side of the debate on some of the subject matter from Christine Grahame and Colin Smyth. However, ...
Jim Fairlie SNP
Will the member give way?
Edward Mountain Con
I will give way to you, minister.
The Presiding Officer NPA
You should always speak through the chair.
Jim Fairlie SNP
Edward Mountain proposed a licensing scheme that could be given to any pest controller who does not have accreditation in this country, whereas we are propos...
Edward Mountain Con
Well, there we go. The minister is still not listening. I was talking about following parliamentary procedure and talking to people who have lodged amendment...
Christine Grahame SNP
Perhaps the factory cat that is there to keep the number of mice down is wandering about. Cats can get stuck in the traps. They are one example.